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Old 10-22-2015, 06:16 PM
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I watched as much as I could stand and of the course the news media is replaying what they want you all to see.

However....party no matter. She is a case study in behavior. Just watch her eyes. She just cannot make or keep eye contact. Always looking at anything other than the speaker or the camera.

As a lawyer schooled in the art and theatrics of testimony preparation, note how well prepared she is to include some notes to read from dependent on the issue/subject/question.

No matter what or how she reponds she just cannot separate herself from the wrong that is Benhhazi from the oh it was the movie to who read what and did not tell her what. And of course the ever present confidant "who is not a confidant" but she seeks his advice. And on and on.

I could not help but think this is a potential POTUS. Not if one is objective and honest.

For those who are stiffled by party allegiance you obviously have no choice.....right?

She is about as presidential as a kid who just broke the front window or stole the cookies (and the jar).
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:27 PM
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Some points made:

She knew that the video was not responsible for the attack. She emailed her daughter and someone else this information.
Stevens was ready to leave because of the lack of security. From email from her assistant. She denied that Stevens was having a problem with security.
She said she had nothing to do with security of embassies and didn't approve or disapprove. BS!
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:41 PM
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A totally wasted day. Politics as usual. Congress accomplishes little or nothing. Our government has regressed to a dictatorship where POTUS uses executive orders to run our country. With this system in place how can anyone wonder why Trump is so popular.
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:51 PM
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I watched quite a bit of the hearings today, and my impressions.

1. Democrats are going to be happy with Ms Clinton's performance relative to not giving up any sound bites and she DID do a great job in that vein.

2. I cannot speak to her body language, etc but she did maintain her composure.

3. AP already has begun a FACT CHECK...most of what they print thus far is based on "spin" and not lies. One interesting catch is when Ms Clinton said that she never emailed during the day. AP says that at least 1/3 of her emails were sent on workdays between 8 and 6 ! Also interesting is her backing off quite a bit on Blumenthal when caught saying she didnt solicit then hearing emails read showing not the case. Here is the link to the short and quick fact check.

News from The Associated Press

4. The Republicans are playing some political games with the committee, and frankly I find no fault with that. I recall Speaker Pelosi actually bragging about the number of hearings that she had conducted on Iraq. I think perhaps the gaffe made a few weeks ago allowed the Democrats to drop any pretenses and simply ignore Benghazi today and instead spend the time backing Ms. Clinton.

More on my not having a problem with the Republicans making politics out of this. First, has there been any shootings in this country, especially those involving a white policeman and a black male or a mass shooting that was not made into a political issue immediately ?

And of course, her infamous quote from the debate when she called the enemy to be Republicans. Joe Biden sort of cleared the air on that one but she did say it and sure she meant it.

5. I felt and will wait for the pundits to go through it but I think her remarks on the emails were confusing and every changing.

6. Lastly not on Benghazi, but in politics in general. I hope that Paul Ryan election to House Speaker, along with this committee will mark the beginning of a new policy with the Republicans. For so long, and allow me to compliment the Democratic party, the Democrats has been the aggressor. For some reasons the Republicans find that difficult to do. I am hoping that the party will now come together and join the fray.

I am not looking for a fight here; I sincerely believe that the Republicans have been lackeys for years and part of it, maybe the largest part, the lack of unity within the party. I am hoping they will now come together and begin to be more aggressive THAT might bring everyone together once they both are on the attack. Sometimes, it takes that and for so many years, it has been a one way street.
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Old 10-22-2015, 06:51 PM
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Amen!!!!
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:18 PM
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This entire thing could have been avoided had it not been an election year when it occurred.

The rush to insure that Obama would not have to answer questions about terrorist attack is what caused the whole thing.

I did not know that Ms Clinton told her daughter and in addition the President of Egypt that it was a terrorist attack with no conditions or buts.

All the while insuring the public was being told something else.

Had that not occured....had those lies not been told, there would have been no committee.

Of course, had there been no committee we would not have known about the emails.

Once again, covering something up causes the problem.

So it is political...it began that way and stays that way.
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:35 PM
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I watched for a good part of the day....to me it was a bunch of lawyers wording questions in such a way to trip up the one being grilled. I was once grilled like that during a deposition, not fun at all.

Rep. Roby's were you alone all night....so stupid. What did she think perhaps Hillary contacted for the "Boys from Down Under" to come in.
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:48 PM
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I watched quite a bit of the hearings today, and my impressions.

1. Democrats are going to be happy with Ms Clinton's performance relative to not giving up any sound bites and she DID do a great job in that vein.

2. I cannot speak to her body language, etc but she did maintain her composure.

3. AP already has begun a FACT CHECK...most of what they print thus far is based on "spin" and not lies. One interesting catch is when Ms Clinton said that she never emailed during the day. AP says that at least 1/3 of her emails were sent on workdays between 8 and 6 ! Also interesting is her backing off quite a bit on Blumenthal when caught saying she didnt solicit then hearing emails read showing not the case. Here is the link to the short and quick fact check.

News from The Associated Press

4. The Republicans are playing some political games with the committee, and frankly I find no fault with that. I recall Speaker Pelosi actually bragging about the number of hearings that she had conducted on Iraq. I think perhaps the gaffe made a few weeks ago allowed the Democrats to drop any pretenses and simply ignore Benghazi today and instead spend the time backing Ms. Clinton.

More on my not having a problem with the Republicans making politics out of this. First, has there been any shootings in this country, especially those involving a white policeman and a black male or a mass shooting that was not made into a political issue immediately ?

And of course, her infamous quote from the debate when she called the enemy to be Republicans. Joe Biden sort of cleared the air on that one but she did say it and sure she meant it.

5. I felt and will wait for the pundits to go through it but I think her remarks on the emails were confusing and every changing.

6. Lastly not on Benghazi, but in politics in general. I hope that Paul Ryan election to House Speaker, along with this committee will mark the beginning of a new policy with the Republicans. For so long, and allow me to compliment the Democratic party, the Democrats has been the aggressor. For some reasons the Republicans find that difficult to do. I am hoping that the party will now come together and join the fray.

I am not looking for a fight here; I sincerely believe that the Republicans have been lackeys for years and part of it, maybe the largest part, the lack of unity within the party. I am hoping they will now come together and begin to be more aggressive THAT might bring everyone together once they both are on the attack. Sometimes, it takes that and for so many years, it has been a one way street.
Well thought out and well stated. I agree with nearly all you've said here. My Mrs. watches the NBC morning show so I will see that slant. I will have to search out other perspectives on my own.
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Old 10-22-2015, 08:51 PM
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So far in the early going this has been a very good thread. Wondering if by the time I check it again in the morning if it will have deteriorated into the normal drivel almost all political post turn into.
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:43 PM
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The thread and it's intent and the counterpoint thus far will not deteriorate.
But you are right. We shall see how long it takes before the rocks are thrown into the pond.
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:42 AM
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Hillary clinton was on the prosecuting staff that went after Nixon's Watergate. She has been embroiled in one scandal after another since her days in Arkansas. She has had three years to prepare for the Benghazi hearing and understood that composure was required. so I did not expect a break down and confession so depicted in Law and Order series. Beside which she insulates her self worth well ( "What difference does it make at this point") and would never admit to any act of omission or commission. Recall her role model under oath saying Ï did not have sex with that woman...."

Before the attached there was ample warnings. Even the Red Cross had pulled out of Benghazi before this attack. The Embassy in Tripoli requested more security causing the a joint embassy CIA recommendation in mid August of that year to consolidate personnel into the CIA compound Joint chief of Staff General Martin Dempsey testified that the rising threat of terrorists in Libya was well known. Following the deposing of Gadhafi this part of the world was no backwater for the Obama Administration

The day of the attack Hillary Clinton disappeared. She was no where to be found. She left the building. There is no evidence she nor Obama did anything except monitor the situation
Was Hillary Clinton using her private email server while her desk went empty?
She claims she was fully connected but the records indicate that she spoke only once at 10: PM to the president when he called her concerning the Muslim video tape. A video tape used to explain the fog of war.
How did Hillary Clinton perform as a leader?
Why did she go along with the Obama Administration's specious claim that a video caused this riot when she knew instantly that as not the case?
Why has only one terrorist been identified and nothing even to him has been accomplished since? ( John Bolton WSJ 10/21)


Did Obama's reelection prospects enter into this equation?
Why did Hillary Chousands of emails?
Why does she deflect any responsibility by referring to her subordinates?
Why was she soliciting funds from foreign governments during her years as Secretary of State under the guise of the Clinton Charitable Foundation?

I did not watch the hearing because it was evident that she would perform well and with good reason. Because all she had to do was show up play the victim to a right wing conspiracy and the liberal media would tidy up the rest just as it has done for every single scandal that has come out of this Whit House even before Obama entered it.

Anyone finding solace in Hillary Clinton walking away from this is complicit by omission

No justice no peace

Personal Best Regards
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Old 10-23-2015, 08:02 AM
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I only watched about an hour of the hearing. As another poster stated, it was asking and re-asking the same questions just in order to see if Sec. Clinton would say another answer. She did an excellent job.

On Bill O'Reilly later on last night, Dana Perino also agreed that the hearings were purely political. She, a Republican, said all Sec. Clinton has to do now is to coast into the Oval Office. That statement left O'Reilly kind of sputtering.

Perino said those that hate Sec. Clinton will not change their minds, those that love her will not change their minds, and there is about a 50-50 split. She said the electoral college votes favor Sec. Clinton by a good percentage.
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Old 10-23-2015, 08:13 AM
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I watched quite a bit of the hearings today, and my impressions.

1. Democrats are going to be happy with Ms Clinton's performance relative to not giving up any sound bites and she DID do a great job in that vein.

2. I cannot speak to her body language, etc but she did maintain her composure.

3. AP already has begun a FACT CHECK...most of what they print thus far is based on "spin" and not lies. One interesting catch is when Ms Clinton said that she never emailed during the day. AP says that at least 1/3 of her emails were sent on workdays between 8 and 6 ! Also interesting is her backing off quite a bit on Blumenthal when caught saying she didnt solicit then hearing emails read showing not the case. Here is the link to the short and quick fact check.

News from The Associated Press

4. The Republicans are playing some political games with the committee, and frankly I find no fault with that. I recall Speaker Pelosi actually bragging about the number of hearings that she had conducted on Iraq. I think perhaps the gaffe made a few weeks ago allowed the Democrats to drop any pretenses and simply ignore Benghazi today and instead spend the time backing Ms. Clinton.

More on my not having a problem with the Republicans making politics out of this. First, has there been any shootings in this country, especially those involving a white policeman and a black male or a mass shooting that was not made into a political issue immediately ?

And of course, her infamous quote from the debate when she called the enemy to be Republicans. Joe Biden sort of cleared the air on that one but she did say it and sure she meant it.

5. I felt and will wait for the pundits to go through it but I think her remarks on the emails were confusing and every changing.

6. Lastly not on Benghazi, but in politics in general. I hope that Paul Ryan election to House Speaker, along with this committee will mark the beginning of a new policy with the Republicans. For so long, and allow me to compliment the Democratic party, the Democrats has been the aggressor. For some reasons the Republicans find that difficult to do. I am hoping that the party will now come together and join the fray.

I am not looking for a fight here; I sincerely believe that the Republicans have been lackeys for years and part of it, maybe the largest part, the lack of unity within the party. I am hoping they will now come together and begin to be more aggressive THAT might bring everyone together once they both are on the attack. Sometimes, it takes that and for so many years, it has been a one way street.
Good post. I am a Democrat but would love to see more checks and balances-- other than incompetence-- in the Beltway.
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Old 10-23-2015, 08:22 AM
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Here is a brief take:

Eleven hours and nothing new.
Definitely partisan.
Clinton appeared poised and came out unscathed.
Any plan to discredit her Presidential aspirations may have backfired.

It will be interesting to see poll results following this.
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Old 10-23-2015, 08:33 AM
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Yet another display of a supposedly high ranking, supposedly capable, supposedly qualified politician to be secretary of state and have ambition to becoming POTUS.

Why do I say supposedly? ANY executive who thinks for one second that they can have something in their area of responsibility go wrong, then be able to in good conscience blame someone who works for them is beyond any intelligent comprehension.

To sit there and say the messages for increased security were handled by an underling!!!!! To even have the gall to state if the messages had gotten to her things might have turned out differently!!!!

Politician or not. Anybody who thinks they are not responsible and accountable for what goes on or not in their organization is not qualified for the job.

Anybody who agrees with her position is not qualified to make any organization judgement.

She demonstrates what has become the hallmark of the current administration...blame someone else....even in their organization.

When she states she did not do anything illegal that side steps the issue of whether what she did or did not do was right or wrong. Lawyers do not care.

They are trained to use, abuse or hide behind the letter of the law.

The political system of phony representation needs an enema. Re-elect no incumbents. Elect no lawyer to any position of fiscal or security position.
Anybody in office for more than two terms to be given notice this is their last assignment.

Just for starters.
 

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