I've no idea why they want socialism as you only have to look at those countries living under it's rule to know it's a failed idea. If you like having dog feces on your shoes then you must like stepping in it.

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I've no idea why they want socialism as you only have to look at those countries living under it's rule to know it's a failed idea. If you like having dog feces on your shoes then you must like stepping in it.

I take it you don't like socialism in any form? If so you might want to give up Medicare and send your SS check back.

I support those socialist programs......

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I take it you don't like socialism in any form? If so you might want to give up Medicare and send your SS check back.

I support those socialist programs......

Why is it some continue to call social security and medicare "socialist programs" when they are not.

Most of us have paid into our social security and medicare accounts all of our working lives.

And now that we are getting our share back.....along with a whole bunch who have paid zero into the program.....some insist it is a socialist program......MAYBE for those who did not pay in. For the rest of us who did....we are making a withdrawal.

Nice try.....(AGAIN!)

Originally Posted by Guest

I take it you don't like socialism in any form? If so you might want to give up Medicare and send your SS check back.

I support those socialist programs......

I'd rather have the money that they forcibly deducted from my paycheck. I would be rich right now after investing it in my own choice of funds. Medicare is a farce as far as I am concerned. I never use it and I paid for it all my working life. I have private insurance that picks up the tab. Waste of money. After you pay medicare for 40 years, you turn 65 and find out that in order to get full coverage medicare B, you have to pay another 100+ bucks a month, EACH. Otherwise, you only get hospitalization paid for by Medicare A. So, no I won't send my money back. That is MY money, that I earned and I cannot help it if the gov borrowed it and used it and still wants more. It will be the young that will have to figure out what they will do when they get to my age and have nothing to show for it. Because they are paying us back for the money that was borrowed and there won't be enough left over for them.

So, once again the Ponzi scheme of socialism has failed. Some times folks have to grow up and take responsibility for their own lives. The gov is not up to running your life for you. They fail at everything they do. Now, they can't even keep you safe, and they want to take your only means of defense away from you. Good luck with your future.

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I take it you don't like socialism in any form? If so you might want to give up Medicare and send your SS check back.

I support those socialist programs......

Of course you do. Some folks are very needy and need someone to take care of them. Apparently, you qualify.

Originally Posted by Guest

Why is it some continue to call social security and medicare "socialist programs" when they are not.

Most of us have paid into our social security and medicare accounts all of our working lives.

And now that we are getting our share back.....along with a whole bunch who have paid zero into the program.....some insist it is a socialist program......MAYBE for those who did not pay in. For the rest of us who did....we are making a withdrawal.

Nice try.....(AGAIN!)

Why? Cause they (the liberal democrat) have union that held companies and government hostage for 100% retirement or near 100% retirement and they didn't pay in to SS. So, they think anybody receiving SS are there lazy voting base that never paid in which is why they think it's socialist. Basically they don't want people who earned it to get it, only the lazy or ones that never paid into it.

Originally Posted by Guest

Why is it some continue to call social security and medicare "socialist programs" when they are not.

Most of us have paid into our social security and medicare accounts all of our working lives.

And now that we are getting our share back.....along with a whole bunch who have paid zero into the program.....some insist it is a socialist program......MAYBE for those who did not pay in. For the rest of us who did....we are making a withdrawal.

Nice try.....(AGAIN!)

The money that we paid into social security paid for the people went to people that were collecting at the time. If they stopped the programs now, which they aren't going to do, we would get paid until the money collected, and not distributed was paid out.

Here is the short answer why it is a socialist program.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...6111526AALbHXS

Originally Posted by Guest

Why is it some continue to call social security and medicare "socialist programs" when they are not.

Most of us have paid into our social security and medicare accounts all of our working lives.

And now that we are getting our share back.....along with a whole bunch who have paid zero into the program.....some insist it is a socialist program......MAYBE for those who did not pay in. For the rest of us who did....we are making a withdrawal.

Nice try.....(AGAIN!)

Obviously you have never looked into the definition of socialism. So let me do that for you.....

From the Webster dictionary

Simple Definition of socialism

: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

On both counts Social Security and Medicare met the test of this definition as the government took your money over the course of many years and "invested it" for you. But you have no control over that money, if you die before you reach retirement your heirs cannot collect the money you "invested" in the program. You cannot control the amount of money you can withdraw monthly as you would be able to do with an investment like a 401K.

I also give you a link to an address given by the great Republican God Ronald Reagan....

American Rhetoric: Ronald Reagan -- Radio Address on Socialized Medicine

I rest my case.....

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Why? Cause they (the liberal democrat) have union that held companies and government hostage for 100% retirement or near 100% retirement and they didn't pay in to SS. So, they think anybody receiving SS are there lazy voting base that never paid in which is why they think it's socialist. Basically they don't want people who earned it to get it, only the lazy or ones that never paid into it.

This is nothing but BS.....

I have worked since I was 18 years of age and retired at the age of 63. I generally vote Democratic and I have earned my right to collect SS. Anyone who doesn't pay into the system should NOT receive benefits.

Originally Posted by Guest

Of course you do. Some folks are very needy and need someone to take care of them. Apparently, you qualify.

How about if we compare bank accounts I show mine if you show yours.

I've earned my money.

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Of course you do. Some folks are very needy and need someone to take care of them. Apparently, you qualify.

Why do you all have to be nasty?

The topic started out as why democrats are so foolish and evolved into a dispute about social security and medicare as being socialist programs. Well they are.

But consider Democrat began this journey toward socialism in 1934 when they (FDR) enacted social security and continued it in 1964 with the Kennedy/Johnson years (Great society) enacting medicare, etc. Democrat love socialism meaning control of citizens lives so they enacted civil rights laws, not for equality but to force social lab experiments on the social aspects of our lives (integration) (protected classes) (Affirmative Action) desparate impact, etc) .

Today the social lab experiment is being widen with Obamacare and expansion of medicaid and removing the sacrosant definition of marriage whose intentions are to erase gender from our society and to demand that you accept homosexuality as the new norm and no different than heterosexuality .

You witness every single day how politicians pull the strings of fear with talk of medicare, medicaid and social security going broke, broke because these same politicians abuse and misuse such funds. and when decent people who were FORCED to participate with deduction forcibly taken out of their paychecks protest, these same smug politicians call it an entitlement.

While it would be too lengthy a conversation the faux subjects of gun control and climate change are also for the expressed purpose of controlling the masses

We find today that the two top Democratic candidates are socialist because their party has shifted to that state of being. People all over the world are running from such governments and we have a segment in our society who believe socialism is good. I dare say it is those who want to control or want free stuff

So we see why Ronald Reagan was so compelling with his observations and prescient with the one that repeats at the end of my post each and every time.

Personal Best Regards:

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Why do you all have to be nasty?

So an honest observation from a conservative is deemed "nasty" and snide remarks and disparaging comments from a liberal is what, just conversation? Sorry, but I am nice until provoked. It seems to me that you folks have no problem with your Pelosi, Reid and Obama disparaging Republicans, but when Trump or anyone else makes a harsh comment, it's deemed "nasty."

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So an honest observation from a conservative is deemed "nasty" and snide remarks and disparaging comments from a liberal is what, just conversation? Sorry, but I am nice until provoked. It seems to me that you folks have no problem with your Pelosi, Reid and Obama disparaging Republicans, but when Trump or anyone else makes a harsh comment, it's deemed "nasty."

I said I supported Social Sercurity and Medicare which prompted a response that obviously I was a needy person. Why would you say that? Most of us here benefit from Social Sercurity and Medicare. I have never received public assistance but I support public assistant for those who need it. The only government program I benefited from was the College Loan program...I paid my loan off in half the required time.

Yes I vote Democratic but that doesn't mean i am some kind of taker as this response implied. My response should NOtT have provoked you. How does a simple statement I support Social Security and Medicare provoke your nasty response?

Originally Posted by Guest

I take it you don't like socialism in any form? If so you might want to give up Medicare and send your SS check back.

I support those socialist programs......

Comrade, I would love to give up my Medicare & SS programs if the Govt. would refund the money they confiscated from me & my employers for all those years, with the appropriate interest it would have earned of course. Our Socialist politicians have stolen our money to ingratiate themselves with the freeloaders in our society to ensure their own re-election.