The investigation in Texas into the Planned Parenthood videos has led to an indictment the anti-abortion activists. The video's were highly edited as to paint the subjects as violating the law, i.e. selling baby parts.

Investigation Into Planned Parenthood Leads To Indictment Of Anti-Abortion Activists

Originally Posted by Guest

The investigation in Texas into the Planned Parenthood videos has led to an indictment the anti-abortion activists. The video's were highly edited as to paint the subjects as violating the law, i.e. selling baby parts.

Investigation Into Planned Parenthood Leads To Indictment Of Anti-Abortion Activists

It won't matter to the right wing believers. They don't care about the truth or any facts that don't fit their narrative. Florida, among others will continue to bang the anti PP narrative despite the FACT that it has been proven to be a fabricated and manipulated lie. The right wing media will deny the facts as they don't fit their worldview, or what they want to perpetuate.

OK...forget the editing.

What they said in the settings in which they made the statements were not acting...it was real.

What they do is still murderous butchering of innocents.

Hiding behind the editing to make it sound as though what they say and do other than what it really is .....killing and selling of parts.

Paint the picture however you like or what ever suits the marching directions you have been given on the subject.

Re-definition....redirection.....lies....SOP!

Originally Posted by Guest

OK...forget the editing.

What they said in the settings in which they made the statements were not acting...it was real.

What they do is still murderous butchering of innocents.

Hiding behind the editing to make it sound as though what they say and do other than what it really is .....killing and selling of parts.

Paint the picture however you like or what ever suits the marching directions you have been given on the subject.

Re-definition....redirection.....lies....SOP!

I believe that abortions are legal in the United States and have been for many years. While I have never had the need for an abortion and never would have had one it is not my place to pass judgement on others. As it has been said:

JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!

I am really sick and tired of the Right Wing Christians crying about their religious freedom when you all go around imposing your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

In the US, perhaps you don't know this, but we all have the right to freedom of religion which also means freedom from YOUR religion.

In this case Planned Parenthood was doing NOTHING illegal...it was a slander job by the Right Wing whose motto seems to be if you can't find anything then just make it up!

End of story.

The videos were not distorted in the editing. They shortened the videos, leaving some of the video out. That is not taking away from the truth. When you are testifying in court, and asked what happened, you don't tell the court that you got up in the morning and fixed coffee and toast, then took a shower and combed your hair, etc. You give them the facts. The videos were not a lie.

Yes, abortion is still legal. Murdering the unborn is still legal, and no one is saying different. Cutting the bodies up and selling the parts is ILLEGAL. There is the whole case. Selling the body parts. If you liberals want to argue that, then you are going to make an @ss of yourself. So, before you come back and keep with the broken record of trying to tie it into the same old "abortion is legal" remember that I stipulated that point. Selling body parts is ILLEGAL, period.

No matter how you want to justify murdering the innocent, don't even try to use the Bible to rationalize your actions. You have lost all credibility when you continuously state on here that the Bible is fiction and that God is a myth. If you liberals are atheists or agnostic, don't attempt to use Christianity as an argument.

Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

And last of all, the court is NOT a religion and not your god. It makes decisions based on the evidence and argument presented. There is no right or wrong in the court, only the law and the argument to convince whether or not a law was violated.

[QUOTE=Guest;1177568]The videos were not distorted in the editing. They shortened the videos, leaving some of the video out. That is not taking away from the truth. When you are testifying in court, and asked what happened, you don't tell the court that you got up in the morning and fixed coffee and toast, then took a shower and combed your hair, etc. You give them the facts. The videos were not a lie.

Yes, abortion is still legal. Murdering the unborn is still legal, and no one is saying different. Cutting the bodies up and selling the parts is ILLEGAL. There is the whole case. Selling the body parts. If you liberals want to argue that, then you are going to make an @ss of yourself. So, before you come back and keep with the broken record of trying to tie it into the same old "abortion is legal" remember that I stipulated that point. Selling body parts is ILLEGAL, period.

But they didn't sell body parts all investigations of Planned Parenthood, including the ones Republican ones have cleared them of that. I guess you messed that...So for your information:

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video



No matter how you want to justify murdering the innocent, don't even try to use the Bible to rationalize your actions. You have lost all credibility when you continuously state on here that the Bible is fiction and that God is a myth. If you liberals are atheists or agnostic, don't attempt to use Christianity as an argument.
I don't murder anyone, in point of face I was a Medical Technologist in a hospital which provided abortions. My job required me to perform blood draws and tests on these patients. I was conflicted about this so I went to my priest to discuss what I should do. I have never stated that GOD was a myth or the Bible is fiction. You know nothing about me but you throw bunch of hate at me. So un Christian of you!!!

Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

If I were a liberal this might apply to me but as I am not a liberal and certainly not a progressive it doesn't!

Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

Now this is fun.... you vote to deny a portion of the public the right to marry, their constitutional right, on religious grounds you are imposing your religious beliefs on the rest of us. Christians have been doing that for centuries.

And last of all, the court is NOT a religion and not your god. It makes decisions based on the evidence and argument presented. There is no right or wrong in the court, only the law and the argument to convince whether or not a law was violated. Unsure of your point here but I think the Supreme Court has ruled on that in the case of abortion and gay marriage. So thanks for making my point

As I expected a neanderthal response...

Originally Posted by Guest

I believe that abortions are legal in the United States and have been for many years. While I have never had the need for an abortion and never would have had one it is not my place to pass judgement on others. As it has been said:

JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!

I am really sick and tired of the Right Wing Christians crying about their religious freedom when you all go around imposing your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

In the US, perhaps you don't know this, but we all have the right to freedom of religion which also means freedom from YOUR religion.

In this case Planned Parenthood was doing NOTHING illegal...it was a slander job by the Right Wing whose motto seems to be if you can't find anything then just make it up!

End of story.

Unfortunate that you chose to make the issue one that emphasizes ONE specific religion's approach to abortion....which is your choice, but should state the limitation of the position taken. Limitation?

Yes, contray to what some of you would like to have everybody subscribe to and support, there are many more across America who have a different outlook. Those outlooks are not constrained by partisan pandering or religious polarizing. They are simply based on the time tested concept of right and wrong.

Flaunting the fact that something is legal does not automatically make it right.
It happens to be a position that can be argued as it is here on this subject.

If one wants to argue legality, how about applying it to the edited videos. They were not illegal. They did not change the facts or the circumstances about what was being done by PP. They are exploiting the limits of the law to kill unborn children. They are purposefully managing pregnancies for gender and or specific part aquisition. The are birthing the fetus and then proceeding to butcher it in a manner consistent with obtaining the best possible parts with the least damage.

I suggest you make a case not using whether it is legal or not; and to look broader than one religion that happens to disagree with you completely.
And look across what most people think about the process PP uses to gain the parts they need. It is not right to be killing human beings to "harvest" parts like so much parsley. And I would suggest most people given the a complete picture of what is being done will, like the rest of us, be disgusted at what some would do while hiding behind the law which states it is "legal".

The majority of us do not support being legal makes it right.

So maybe a discussion can ensue without the usual name calling, partisan, religious, race compartmentalizing.
Have your opinion. Also allow there are others.

[QUOTE=Guest;1177624]

Originally Posted by Guest

The videos were not distorted in the editing. They shortened the videos, leaving some of the video out. That is not taking away from the truth. When you are testifying in court, and asked what happened, you don't tell the court that you got up in the morning and fixed coffee and toast, then took a shower and combed your hair, etc. You give them the facts. The videos were not a lie.

Yes, abortion is still legal. Murdering the unborn is still legal, and no one is saying different. Cutting the bodies up and selling the parts is ILLEGAL. There is the whole case. Selling the body parts. If you liberals want to argue that, then you are going to make an @ss of yourself. So, before you come back and keep with the broken record of trying to tie it into the same old "abortion is legal" remember that I stipulated that point. Selling body parts is ILLEGAL, period.

But they didn't sell body parts all investigations of Planned Parenthood, including the ones Republican ones have cleared them of that. I guess you messed that...So for your information:

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video



No matter how you want to justify murdering the innocent, don't even try to use the Bible to rationalize your actions. You have lost all credibility when you continuously state on here that the Bible is fiction and that God is a myth. If you liberals are atheists or agnostic, don't attempt to use Christianity as an argument.
I don't murder anyone, in point of face I was a Medical Technologist in a hospital which provided abortions. My job required me to perform blood draws and tests on these patients. I was conflicted about this so I went to my priest to discuss what I should do. I have never stated that GOD was a myth or the Bible is fiction. You know nothing about me but you throw bunch of hate at me. So un Christian of you!!!

Since liberals see themselves as the superior enlighten ones they do not recognize that taking a position against their position is not automatically hate.

If I were a liberal this might apply to me but as I am not a liberal and certainly not a progressive it doesn't!

Liberals see Christians as wanting to impose their religion on them when in truth it is the liberals who have used the courts system to impose their secular humanism religion on all of us.

Now this is fun.... you vote to deny a portion of the public the right to marry, their constitutional right, on religious grounds you are imposing your religious beliefs on the rest of us. Christians have been doing that for centuries.

And last of all, the court is NOT a religion and not your god. It makes decisions based on the evidence and argument presented. There is no right or wrong in the court, only the law and the argument to convince whether or not a law was violated. Unsure of your point here but I think the Supreme Court has ruled on that in the case of abortion and gay marriage. So thanks for making my point

As I expected a neanderthal response...

Typical libtard response, and just a radical opinion.

It is literally impossible to be a liberal today and also believe in the truth of the Bible, so please don't try to act differently. Abortion is against the Bible, whether legal or not. In this case, the gov deemed it legal. Selling body parts is still illegal.
YOu are the one that insists on bringing up Gay marriage, so I will assume that this issue is dear to your heart. I have not made ANY comment on that issue on here, but if you are agitating for an argument, you probably should take it to another thread. No one cares what your sexual perversion is, so why make it public?

I do find it amusing that you do not consider yourself a liberal, yet approve of abortion and approve of gay marriage. ALmost an oxymoron, in a humorous way. YOu must not understand the concept. But, that's OK, because you have already attempted to divert from the comment by injecting the gay marriage issue. Please try to stay on the theme of my comment if you plan to respond to it.

I am not attacking you, but in your confusion you probably construe anyone that has a differing view as being confrontational.

My point was simply that abortion is legal, but selling body parts is NOT. The videos were shortened but were not altered in a manner to suggest anything other than the truth. The videos do prove that a law was broken when body parts were being sold. If the court wants to throw them out because they are not complete, that is their prerogative. To charge these folks but not the ones selling the body parts, just proves that it is a liberal judge with a liberal agenda. But, that is today's theme, American liberalism. Hopefully, that will change in a year.

Originally Posted by Guest

I believe that abortions are legal in the United States and have been for many years. While I have never had the need for an abortion and never would have had one it is not my place to pass judgement on others. As it has been said:

JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED!

I am really sick and tired of the Right Wing Christians crying about their religious freedom when you all go around imposing your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

In the US, perhaps you don't know this, but we all have the right to freedom of religion which also means freedom from YOUR religion.

In this case Planned Parenthood was doing NOTHING illegal...it was a slander job by the Right Wing whose motto seems to be if you can't find anything then just make it up!

End of story.

I am sick and tired of left wing atheists crying about the violation of their freedom when you go around imposing your atheist beliefs on the rest of us (especially the children).

Originally Posted by Guest

I am sick and tired of left wing atheists crying about the violation of their freedom when you go around imposing your atheist beliefs on the rest of us (especially the children).

Jesus would be considered "left wing" by todays standards with all His charitable acts.

Unless the law changes, abortions are legal. Also, Planned Parenthood did NOT sell baby parts. The creators of the video that turned out to be a complete fabrication have been indicted. Enough said.

Originally Posted by Guest

Unless the law changes, abortions are legal. Also, Planned Parenthood did NOT sell baby parts. The creators of the video that turned out to be a complete fabrication have been indicted. Enough said.

I don't know what bizarro world you live in, but PP admitted to selling baby parts. Those videos were not fabricated. But, you keep listening to your little high school political debate club blog and make believe that Chillary is going to be your president.

Originally Posted by Guest

Jesus would be considered "left wing" by todays standards with all His charitable acts.

If you were half as smart as you believe you are, you would know that charity is almost a conservative franchise, compared to the stingy pocketbooks of the left. You will find that conservatives are very generous with their money, while the left is very generous with other folks money and very tight with charity of their own funds. And that, my friend has been proven over and over again. SO, you can make believe that you know Christ, but the fact is that you will grasp at any tool that you believe will further your agenda. Everyone knows that liberals and Christianity do not go together. Christians believe in the Bible as the word of GOD.

Originally Posted by Guest

Unless the law changes, abortions are legal. Also, Planned Parenthood did NOT sell baby parts. The creators of the video that turned out to be a complete fabrication have been indicted. Enough said.

Are you on Planned Parenthood's payroll? A member of the family?
Or just oblivious and don't give a what you say as long as you are emphatic. And YOU know these things because???

The videos have been proven to NOT BE A FABRICATION. The content was edited in some cases for emphasis. The players were real, what they said and did was and still is real.

They were indicted for editing of the video NOT fabrication.

There was more evidence released today with an executive in the planning mode describing how to aquire the "cadeavors" (moron code for babies), divide them up into the appropriate parts, provide information for the parts to be put in their budget.....now why would there be a need for budgeting? Never mind we'll tell you....to make sure the money is available to purchase the butchered baby parts.

You are entitled to your opinions, but to put yourself on their target without first hand knowledge sorta defies an issue with the thinking.

Originally Posted by Guest

Unfortunate that you chose to make the issue one that emphasizes ONE specific religion's approach to abortion....which is your choice, but should state the limitation of the position taken. Limitation?

Yes, contray to what some of you would like to have everybody subscribe to and support, there are many more across America who have a different outlook. Those outlooks are not constrained by partisan pandering or religious polarizing. They are simply based on the time tested concept of right and wrong.

Flaunting the fact that something is legal does not automatically make it right.
It happens to be a position that can be argued as it is here on this subject.

If one wants to argue legality, how about applying it to the edited videos. They were not illegal. They did not change the facts or the circumstances about what was being done by PP. They are exploiting the limits of the law to kill unborn children. They are purposefully managing pregnancies for gender and or specific part aquisition. The are birthing the fetus and then proceeding to butcher it in a manner consistent with obtaining the best possible parts with the least damage.

I suggest you make a case not using whether it is legal or not; and to look broader than one religion that happens to disagree with you completely.
And look across what most people think about the process PP uses to gain the parts they need. It is not right to be killing human beings to "harvest" parts like so much parsley. And I would suggest most people given the a complete picture of what is being done will, like the rest of us, be disgusted at what some would do while hiding behind the law which states it is "legal".

The majority of us do not support being legal makes it right.

So maybe a discussion can ensue without the usual name calling, partisan, religious, race compartmentalizing.
Have your opinion. Also allow there are others.

Once again as a women I have never had nor will I ever have an abortion!!! I am so fortunate to have avoided this problem.

Correct me if I am wrong but your statement:
The majority of us do not support being legal makes it right.

Indicates you don't have a basic understand on how the Constitution of the United States works. Please show me where in this hallowed document where it states "Majority Rules". That is why the Supreme Court exists and in the case of abortion they ruled that a women had the right to choose. Not the majority but that single woman could choose.

I cannot fathom why the right wing seems to hate women so much. Why in the world would you think it was right to force a women to give birth to a child of rape? This stance has cost you more than one election...think Indiana and Missouri. I was in in Indy when the Republican senate candidate made that completely ridiculous statement I watched it live. He lost. So your majority is maybe not a large as you think

I cannot understand the right wings opposition to birth control! If you don't want abortions then provide ways for women to get affordable birth control. Cover the morning after pill....make it an OTC medication.

As for PP, they have done nothing wrong, even in Texas they couldn't find PP at fault for "selling baby parts" other than this highly edited video what other proof can you show to prove PP is doing this? I will certainly await your answer.

I have endeavored to post this a calm fashion without any heated rhetoric.