There is a petition online which has NRA support to insist that the GOP convention in Cleveland this summer allow open carry. Ohio is an open carry state. The Quicken arena has a no guns policy but as the petition explains, your second amendment rights can not be denied by the Quicken corporation. Given the level of discord in the party, is it really a good idea to have open carry? Or does it make it more necessary as the petition argues for each attendee to have the right to defend him or herself? Sign the petition

https://www.change.org/p/quicken-loa...tion-in-july-2

From the petition:
This is a direct affront to the Second Amendment and puts all attendees at risk. As the National Rifle Association has made clear, "gun-free zones" such as the Quicken Loans Arena are "the worst and most dangerous of all lies." The NRA, our leading defender of gun rights, has also correctly pointed out that "gun free zones... tell every insane killer in America... (the) safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk." (March 4, 2016 and Dec. 21, 2012)

Cleveland, Ohio is consistently ranked as one of the top ten most dangerous cities in America. By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home, the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site.

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There is a petition online which has NRA support to insist that the GOP convention in Cleveland this summer allow open carry. Ohio is an open carry state. The Quicken arena has a no guns policy but as the petition explains, your second amendment rights can not be denied by the Quicken corporation. Given the level of discord in the party, is it really a good idea to have open carry? Or does it make it more necessary as the petition argues for each attendee to have the right to defend him or herself? Sign the petition

https://www.change.org/p/quicken-loa...tion-in-july-2

From the petition:
This is a direct affront to the Second Amendment and puts all attendees at risk. As the National Rifle Association has made clear, "gun-free zones" such as the Quicken Loans Arena are "the worst and most dangerous of all lies." The NRA, our leading defender of gun rights, has also correctly pointed out that "gun free zones... tell every insane killer in America... (the) safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk." (March 4, 2016 and Dec. 21, 2012)

Cleveland, Ohio is consistently ranked as one of the top ten most dangerous cities in America. By forcing attendees to leave their firearms at home, the RNC and Quicken Loans Arena are putting tens of thousands of people at risk both inside and outside of the convention site.

Then don't go.

Yes, by all means, allow BOTH open and concealed carry at the Republican Clown Convention!!

Maybe a shootout could even be caught on live television for the entire world to see the insanity of the Republican Clowns.

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Yes, by all means, allow BOTH open and concealed carry at the Republican Clown Convention!!

Maybe a shootout could even be caught on live television for the entire world to see the insanity of the Republican Clowns.

I'll bring the popcorn for that one. It will be better than the Democratic convention in Chicago in the 60's.

We could set up a betting pool:

For:
1. How many wounded
2. Who brings the biggest gun
3. Number of killed
4. Most important Repub lost

I went to the Women's Final Four several years back. I returned with out a scratch... I'll but you would to. Just make sure your car doesn't backfire in front of a Police Station. That could get you killed.

Originally Posted by Guest

I'll bring the popcorn for that one. It will be better than the Democratic convention in Chicago in the 60's.

We could set up a betting pool:

For:
1. How many wounded
2. Who brings the biggest gun
3. Number of killed
4. Most important Repub lost

I went to the Women's Final Four several years back. I returned with out a scratch... I'll but you would to. Just make sure your car doesn't backfire in front of a Police Station. That could get you killed.

In your case, it would be no loss. Just a waste of skin.

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In your case, it would be no loss. Just a waste of skin.

Back at yah!

Real ignorance on display here as to the the types and character of those who carry concealed or open!

Their education is obviously restricted to television and movies.

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Real ignorance on display here as to the the types and character of those who carry concealed or open!

Their education is obviously restricted to television and movies.

Their education is just plain...restricted.

Isn't that what the 2nd Amendment was all about? If the government won't listen to the people, we make them listen? They knew that eventually, absolute power would corrupt absolutely.

What a wasted thread. The law prohibits entering this place with a concealed weapon, period. Leave it be. If you don't feel safe, then don't go. Watch it on TV. Watch the political establishment attempt to assert control over the wishes of the voters. Nothing new to see. Same as the DNC. Look at their choices. They are in worst shape than we are, so that is somewhat of a comfort.

I think that the people who pull the strings, the purse strings in this country are in charge. This type of conversation about guns is in their best interest.

I want people to demonstrate but not interrupt anyone's speech. The silent majority needs to be involved.

Who will show up if there is a chance of getting shot? The silent majority has to go to work the next day.

Look at the demonstrations in the past. Didn't they change the course of history?

Originally Posted by Guest

I think that the people who pull the strings, the purse strings in this country are in charge. This type of conversation about guns is in their best interest.

I want people to demonstrate but not interrupt anyone's speech. The silent majority needs to be involved.

Who will show up if there is a chance of getting shot? The silent majority has to go to work the next day.

Look at the demonstrations in the past. Didn't they change the course of history?

Let us be clear about one possible mis-conception.
Whether there is open or concealed carry has not more impact on the risk of being shot than whether you wear your tan or yellow golf shirt.

On the other hand being in a gun free zone does have the potential to increase the risk of being shot. About the same as in schools for example.

The emotional/predjudice/inference that always surrounds those who have guns legally stifles reality.

It is what can be expected when the knowledge level is limited to media, movies and television only information base.

Originally Posted by Guest

Let us be clear about one possible mis-conception.
Whether there is open or concealed carry has not more impact on the risk of being shot than whether you wear your tan or yellow golf shirt.

On the other hand being in a gun free zone does have the potential to increase the risk of being shot. About the same as in schools for example.

The emotional/predjudice/inference that always surrounds those who have guns legally stifles reality.

It is what can be expected when the knowledge level is limited to media, movies and television only information base.

Whether or not your assessment of safety is accurate does not matter.

It is the perception that matters and influences people. For example if open carry is permitted and I walk into a coffee shop and 3 different people are carrying side arms, I'll go to another shop.

I did not say what their gender was, race, how they were dressed, clean cut, religion----all that makes a difference in perception.

Originally Posted by Guest

Whether or not your assessment of safety is accurate does not matter.

It is the perception that matters and influences people. For example if open carry is permitted and I walk into a coffee shop and 3 different people are carrying side arms, I'll go to another shop.

I did not say what their gender was, race, how they were dressed, clean cut, religion----all that makes a difference in perception.

You would walk the other way because you are a coward. Nothing personal, just an observation. Because most people that legally carry a weapon are responsible gun owners. In stead of feeling safer in that coffee shop, like you should feel, you are scared that a gun would accidentally go off, injuring you. You obviously do not know how many people in your community carry guns every day that you do not know about. I have carried a gun for many years, professionally and otherwise. No one has every known I was carrying. I have probably walked right past you, possibly more than once. You didn't know, but you should be grateful, because I would have protected you if you ran into trouble. Trouble that you would be unequipped to handle on your own. And instead of protecting your family as you should, people such as myself will hopefully be around to do it for you. A gun is just another tool. Since our country has become more and more lax regarding enforcement and justice, one has to be constantly vigilant regarding personal safety/security. The police are unable to protect you and the best you can hope for is that they are not too busy elsewhere to come and assist with first aid and reporting the incident if it should occur. I have no problem with those that are scared of weapons and do not wish to handle them, but I do have problems with those that want to ban other folks from protecting their families. I find such folks to be seriously selfish.

Regarding the carrying of weapons in a convention. I do not think that it is a good idea, considering the inflammatory nature of the venue. Police and security officers are paid to put up with abusive conflict without resorting to spontaneous violence. Not so for the average civilian. Where most folks are responsible gun owners, if someone was to be threatening them by getting into their face and screaming, that may cause fear and alarm and that person may fear for his safety, which might then lead to a thoughtless act of brandishing a gun. I am not saying that his is common, but it's possible in a heated environment. I can understand why they would not want gun owners to carry in this kind of forum. Just because I could carry concealed in such a place without feeling the need to use it, does not meant that others have my background. If one NEEDS to carry a gun to give them confidence, then they are carrying it for the wrong reason. If you fear attending this function without a gun then you shouldn't be attending. It means that you are not prepared to handle the environment without a confidence bolster.

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You would walk the other way because you are a coward. Nothing personal, just an observation.

I stopped reading at this point. It sounds personal. Wouldn't you agree?

Originally Posted by Guest

You would walk the other way because you are a coward. Nothing personal, just an observation. Because most people that legally carry a weapon are responsible gun owners. In stead of feeling safer in that coffee shop, like you should feel, you are scared that a gun would accidentally go off, injuring you. You obviously do not know how many people in your community carry guns every day that you do not know about. I have carried a gun for many years, professionally and otherwise. No one has every known I was carrying. I have probably walked right past you, possibly more than once. You didn't know, but you should be grateful, because I would have protected you if you ran into trouble. Trouble that you would be unequipped to handle on your own. And instead of protecting your family as you should, people such as myself will hopefully be around to do it for you. A gun is just another tool. Since our country has become more and more lax regarding enforcement and justice, one has to be constantly vigilant regarding personal safety/security. The police are unable to protect you and the best you can hope for is that they are not too busy elsewhere to come and assist with first aid and reporting the incident if it should occur. I have no problem with those that are scared of weapons and do not wish to handle them, but I do have problems with those that want to ban other folks from protecting their families. I find such folks to be seriously selfish.

Regarding the carrying of weapons in a convention. I do not think that it is a good idea, considering the inflammatory nature of the venue. Police and security officers are paid to put up with abusive conflict without resorting to spontaneous violence. Not so for the average civilian. Where most folks are responsible gun owners, if someone was to be threatening them by getting into their face and screaming, that may cause fear and alarm and that person may fear for his safety, which might then lead to a thoughtless act of brandishing a gun. I am not saying that his is common, but it's possible in a heated environment. I can understand why they would not want gun owners to carry in this kind of forum. Just because I could carry concealed in such a place without feeling the need to use it, does not meant that others have my background. If one NEEDS to carry a gun to give them confidence, then they are carrying it for the wrong reason. If you fear attending this function without a gun then you shouldn't be attending. It means that you are not prepared to handle the environment without a confidence bolster.

All the ill informed have to remember is in an open carry and concealed carry environment those that do are your protectors if/when ever needed.

To each his own in their beief. My constant mission is to inform as often as it takes to inform as often as it takes that those who legally carry are not ever the problem (and yes there are ISOLATED incidences in everything).

Unfortunately as I have said many times most who are against guns (that is their right) are ill informed or un-informed....not negative commentary...just the facts of the matter.

You might be interested to learn that in open carry states only a very small number do. As was stated above you not knowing are around legally liscenced concealed carry people every day.

The movies the media and television are not good basis for understanding gun use.