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Single payer healthcare is coming to America. It’s inevitable. – Fabius Maximus website

Name one program the federal government has operated with efficiency, without fraud and abuse, without political underpinnings and without chaos. Placing the entire health care system into the hands of the federal government is a terrible mistake and reeks of socialism

Again we find people who have a belief that feeding from the federal goverment trough is desirable.

The more federal government control the less freedom citizens will have on their own lives.

As Margaret Thatcher wisely observed "the problem with socialism is what do you do when you run out of other peoples money"

If people truly desire better health care that will advance in its technologies then look to the markets. The truly needing have always been taken car of in this society. what we have now are too many freeloaders

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Single payer does not work, period.

Check any country with a gov run health care system and you will find that they can not sustain it financially. Taxes in those countries are sky high and service is slow. The only ones that get decent service are those that can afford private insurance. America is way too large to be able to afford to pay for gov run socialized medicine. Even Obiecare stole a trillion bucks from Medicare to subsidize Medicaid. Single payer can't happen in America. If you wish to put doctors on salaries and make them gov employees, first check out the VA. And if you wish to be able to sue for malpractice, good luck because it wont' happen if the gov is the employer.

Gotta love it when the left always looks over the fence at those big green pastures, thinking that everyone else has it better than they do. Busybodies is their profession. Whiners by trait. Lazy by nature and the party of excuses.

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Name one program the federal government has operated with efficiency, without fraud and abuse, without political underpinnings and without chaos. Placing the entire health care system into the hands of the federal government is a terrible mistake and reeks of socialism

Again we find people who have a belief that feeding from the federal goverment trough is desirable.

The more federal government control the less freedom citizens will have on their own lives.

As Margaret Thatcher wisely observed "the problem with socialism is what do you do when you run out of other peoples money"

If people truly desire better health care that will advance in its technologies then look to the markets. The truly needing have always been taken car of in this society. what we have now are too many freeloaders

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Women and minorities. They're takers more than makers.

What little freedom we still have left. MILLION of laws and regulations. EVERYTHING is taxed. We were freer under King George BEFORE the revolution.

Now they just borrow it...add it to the federal debt...so what if EVERY man, woman, and child owed over $60,000 as their part. So what if the interest payments are $600 billion a year. They DESERVE the live as well as they do...they're "Americans".

The COST of healthcare is simply too high. It's NOT sustainable. If healthcare is to become a commodity...they'll have to start accepting commodity pricing and salaries.

Originally Posted by Guest

Single payer does not work, period.

Check any country with a gov run health care system and you will find that they can not sustain it financially. Taxes in those countries are sky high and service is slow. The only ones that get decent service are those that can afford private insurance. America is way too large to be able to afford to pay for gov run socialized medicine. Even Obiecare stole a trillion bucks from Medicare to subsidize Medicaid. Single payer can't happen in America. If you wish to put doctors on salaries and make them gov employees, first check out the VA. And if you wish to be able to sue for malpractice, good luck because it wont' happen if the gov is the employer.

Gotta love it when the left always looks over the fence at those big green pastures, thinking that everyone else has it better than they do. Busybodies is their profession. Whiners by trait. Lazy by nature and the party of excuses.

Because we WORKED to get those pastures green...we MAINTAIN those pastures to keep them green...we CONTROL those pastures to keep them green. The liberals/minorities invade the pasture and trample it until it dies. Like they did to the freedom pointe "dog park". Too many people/dogs is what ruined it. Too many UNCARING what THEIR actions do...is what ruined it. Too many using it...trampled and killed the grass. Same as it ever was.

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Single-Payer Would Cost A Third of Current Health Care Costs Per Family | calitics



Single-Payer Myths; Single-Payer Facts | Physicians for a National Health Program



Single payer healthcare is coming to America. It’s inevitable. – Fabius Maximus website

I think your data may be a little out of date. Very recent analysis for CA shows single payer for all in CA would cost more than the (ridiculous) total current state budget. And this from a liberal SanFran newspaper.

Single-payer health care would cost more than California budget - SFGate

Sorry to break the news. As ObamaCare so aptly demonstrated, government involvement in healthcare just increases the cost.


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Originally Posted by Guest

I think your data may be a little out of date. Very recent analysis for CA shows single payer for all in CA would cost more than the (ridiculous) total current state budget. And this from a liberal SanFran newspaper.

Single-payer health care would cost more than California budget - SFGate

Sorry to break the news. As ObamaCare so aptly demonstrated, government involvement in healthcare just increases the cost.


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You can't give everyone $1,000 a month in value healthcare coverage for free. That's $350 billion a month. 350 million people in America...times $1,000 a month...equals $350 billion a month. That's $4,200,000,000,000 a year. Practically the entire federal budget.

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You can't give everyone $1,000 a month in value healthcare coverage for free. That's $350 billion a month. 350 million people in America...times $1,000 a month...equals $350 billion a month. That's $4,200,000,000,000 a year. Practically the entire federal budget.

As I said...but that is also what the nuts in CA are considering...passing a bill that would cost more than the current state budget, plus an additional $200 billion.


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Originally Posted by Guest

Name one program the federal government has operated with efficiency, without fraud and abuse, without political underpinnings and without chaos. Placing the entire health care system into the hands of the federal government is a terrible mistake and reeks of socialism

Again we find people who have a belief that feeding from the federal goverment trough is desirable.

The more federal government control the less freedom citizens will have on their own lives.

As Margaret Thatcher wisely observed "the problem with socialism is what do you do when you run out of other peoples money"

If people truly desire better health care that will advance in its technologies then look to the markets. The truly needing have always been taken car of in this society. what we have now are too many freeloaders

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Ok, name one insurance company that's not fruaded the federal government/taxpayers out of billions. Insurance CEO's don't get millions in stocks and bonuses by doing business on the up and up, they find way to Cheat somebody. Either the government or insurance payer gets screwed. The system corrupt insurance for the most part legal racketeering.

There will be single payer eventually once the career politicians are removed from the scheme.

In most countries where there is a single payer system, the system is constantly on the verge of bankruptcy and the quality of care is less than excellent. In addition care is often rationed.

I had a friend from England who desperately needed a hip replacement. She was placed on a waiting list and waited, in pain, for years. When she was finally called she was told that she was too old for that surgery as it wasn't cost efficient to spend the money on a new hip when she was probably going to die within the next few years. So she lived the last twelve years of her life in serious pain and addicted to pain killers which were also rationed.

When the system begins to get into financial trouble, taxes are raised. I just had a conversation with a British friend who defends the National Health but was complaining because they just raised taxes on self employed persons which includes her.

Gas is $4-$6 per gallon in Canada with most of that money going to taxes to support "free" health care.

And like Britain people in Canada are often on waiting lists. Those with serious problems that can afford it often come across the border top the U.S. to get treatment.

The French health care system is on the verge of bankruptcy and exceeds it's budget by billions of Euros each year.

This is why so many in this country are against such a system. Of course many are fooled by thinking that they will get something for free.

And as Rubicon points out, our government never does anything efficiently. There is an incredible amount of waste in every area of our federal government. I fear that if a single payer system was ever put in place here, politicians would use it to pay for their re-election campaigns. Every member of congress and every senator would be trying to get as much out of it for their state. The pork would be astronomical.

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Ok, name one insurance company that's not fruaded the federal government/taxpayers out of billions. Insurance CEO's don't get millions in stocks and bonuses by doing business on the up and up, they find way to Cheat somebody. Either the government or insurance payer gets screwed. The system corrupt insurance for the most part legal racketeering.

There will be single payer eventually once the career politicians are removed from the scheme.

Oh, thank goodness! We have nothing to worry about then. Never happen.


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Originally Posted by Guest

Ok, name one insurance company that's not fruaded the federal government/taxpayers out of billions. Insurance CEO's don't get millions in stocks and bonuses by doing business on the up and up, they find way to Cheat somebody. Either the government or insurance payer gets screwed. The system corrupt insurance for the most part legal racketeering.

There will be single payer eventually once the career politicians are removed from the scheme.

The politicians CAUSE it to go single payer...they'll contract it out to insurance companies. JP Morgan runs the EBT system. Humana runs the military healthcare system. That's what government does...monopolizes and gives the jobs to it's friends.

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Ok, name one insurance company that's not fruaded the federal government/taxpayers out of billions. Insurance CEO's don't get millions in stocks and bonuses by doing business on the up and up, they find way to Cheat somebody. Either the government or insurance payer gets screwed. The system corrupt insurance for the most part legal racketeering.

There will be single payer eventually once the career politicians are removed from the scheme.

Where do I begin with a response with so little space and time. Insurance is so regulated by both state/federal that they must adhere to and explain in an audit the how, why of their actuarial projections, the split in premium between benefits and expenses is narrow. healthcare carriers expense ratio is even more conservative than property/casualty companies. Insurance companies earn a profit primarily by controlling their expenses not in the payout of claims.
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Its up to the board of directors as to the amount they pay their CEO's and his/her staff but that comes out of the expense portion of the company. Check the actual net profits made by insurance companies. small.

the fraud you speak of results more from the peripheral venue .............................

Haven't you been paying attention as to how many healthcare carriers have exited the healthcare market. do you know why? that's a rhetorical question

I earned my CPCU,CLU,CHFC and there still was so much more to understand about this complex business

I can tell you that each of those Societies has a written set of ethics and a demand that an ethical oath be taken before such a designation is conferred

Indeed we have our bad apples too but there is genuine internal policing unlike other occupations.

you paint with a very broad brush and that is always a sign that emotion has overtaken reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Guest

You can't give everyone $1,000 a month in value healthcare coverage for free. That's $350 billion a month. 350 million people in America...times $1,000 a month...equals $350 billion a month. That's $4,200,000,000,000 a year. Practically the entire federal budget.

First of all, it doesn't cost $1,000. per month per citizen. A family of 5 doesn't pay $5,000. per month or $60,000. a year. Your logic just doesn't fly. Who is saying that single payer health insurance will be free for everyone? They are talking about a 15% tax to cover the health insurance.

If you make $60,000. per year, a 15% tax would be $9,000. per year. It didn't say what a business would be tax on sales or net income. I can't imagine even Cal. would tax people 15% for health insurance.

What also doesn't make sense is how are health insurance companies making money Cal? There has to be a cartload of people that are uninsured. I am sure that there are plenty of illegals in Cal. Why would you insure illegals?

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First of all, it doesn't cost $1,000. per month per citizen. A family of 5 doesn't pay $5,000. per month or $60,000. a year. Your logic just doesn't fly. Who is saying that single payer health insurance will be free for everyone? They are talking about a 15% tax to cover the health insurance.

If you make $60,000. per year, a 15% tax would be $9,000. per year. It didn't say what a business would be tax on sales or net income. I can't imagine even Cal. would tax people 15% for health insurance.

What also doesn't make sense is how are health insurance companies making money Cal? There has to be a cartload of people that are uninsured. I am sure that there are plenty of illegals in Cal. Why would you insure illegals?

The average person uses a $ million worth of healthcare in a lifetime. To get a million dollars takes 1,000 $1,000 payments...or more than 80 years at $1,000 a month.

Half the country receives some government benefit, those receiving welfare aren't paying anything. No tax. It becomes another benefit.

I'm just telling you what healthcare actually costs. The government borrows over a $ trillion a year spending a lot of that subsidizing healthcare.

The illegals over the last 40 years dropped 50 million anchor babies who are having their own babies...so many that Hispanics are the majority of babies born....so many that Hispanics are the majority starting school...so many that Hispanics are the MAJORITY below the age of 7. The illegals are breeding us out of our own country by dropping "citizens" by the millions.

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The average person uses a $ million worth of healthcare in a lifetime. To get a million dollars takes 1,000 $1,000 payments...or more than 80 years at $1,000 a month.

Half the country receives some government benefit, those receiving welfare aren't paying anything. No tax. It becomes another benefit.

I'm just telling you what healthcare actually costs. The government borrows over a $ trillion a year spending a lot of that subsidizing healthcare.

The illegals over the last 40 years dropped 50 million anchor babies who are having their own babies...so many that Hispanics are the majority of babies born....so many that Hispanics are the majority starting school...so many that Hispanics are the MAJORITY below the age of 7. The illegals are breeding us out of our own country by dropping "citizens" by the millions.

Some experts have pointed out that the people in this nation, unlike say those in Denmark, would be prone to overuse services because they are provided free. well not free taxpayers will foot the bill and we know politicians are frugal with taxpayer dollars.

This nation is not in 19 trillion dollar debt it is substantially more when you throw in interest, interest that continues because the debt continues.

Just take a look at the amount of debt in the last 8 years to that of the previous 43 presidents. Something has got to give

We have become a nation that has developed an "entitlement mentality" and have long forgotten the realities of life

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