[BoatRatKat]

Just about every evening for the past couple of weeks or so we start smelling smoke around 6PM and by 7PM we have to go inside because the smoke is so strong. This seems to have coincided with the pick up of the Irma debris in the Pine Ridge/Pine Hills neighborhood. Maybe a coincidence but could they be burning all the debris they picked up? Is that even legal? Anyone?

[Topspinmo]

Smell it up north also.

[raynan]

Could be neighbors with fire pits on these chilly nights.

[jimmemac]

We saw them burning just off 301 tonight in field behind the electric company

[parrotgirl12]

There's a burn site on 466A right behind Windy Acres Farm, so it's definitely close to both Pine Ridge and Pine Hills.

[BoatRatKat]

Originally Posted by parrotgirl12

There's a burn site on 466A right behind Windy Acres Farm, so it's definitely close to both Pine Ridge and Pine Hills.

That's got to be it, thanks for the info Parrotgirl.

[Uberschaf]

I say it's air pollution. They should just chip it up and turn it into mulch. I've seen chippers the size of semi's so they can chip whole trees.

[Goldwingnut]

Burning the debris is exactly what was planned all along, it was made public knowledge long ago. There are two dumping locations used for TV debris pickup, one up at the north end, the other is at the corner of 468 and the Turnpike. The north dump site received over 28,000 cubic yards of debris according to the DPM at the October PWAC meeting, he didn't have the numbers on the south site at the time but said it was similar. If one assumes a standard size 12x24 swimming pool with an average depth of 4 feet, you could fill that pool over 650 times with just the debris from the north site, if the south site is similar then we're talking over 1000 swimming pools that could be filled. That's a lot of debris!

Mulching on the surface seem a better idea, but it really isn't. It is very labor and energy intensive and the product would be of low quality and would still have to be disposed of some how. Good quality mulch is generally of a consistent and single product such as cypress, oak, pine, or leaves. What is in the debris piles is a mixture of palm trees, palm leaves, various tree trunks, root balls, dirt, and who knows what else, it defiantly would not produce a product you would want to spread on your flower beds. Burning is the government approved method of disposal of this material, will require the least amount of effort, and will leave the smallest amount of residual material that will need to be ultimately disposed of. Mother nature does her share of "air pollution" all the time with wild fires (look at California), this will be a drop in the ocean.

Given the costs incurred so far for debris pick-up and disposal - MILLIONS - in TV, we defiantly want to take the least expensive route of getting rid of the storm debris. And no "the developer" isn't going to pay for this and shouldn't, all they own north of SR44 is the championship courses and the commercial areas, everything else WE the tax payers/local governments own and are responsible for. The developer will pay a portion of the cost for debris removed from their property as each truck load brought to the dump site was accounted for by source so the at the appropriate entity (CDD, project wide, amenity fund, developer, ect.) would get billed the correct portion.

We should all hope that FEMA and the state both approve the reimbursement for these cost otherwise we as the residents will have to pick up that cost. Here's the simple math - if the numbered district's (CDD 1-12) and project wide portion is $10,000,000 and there are about 60,000 homes in these districts, this equates to about $165 per home to cover this cost. Yes, the districts have some capital budget reserves but this would be hit heavily to pay for this so maintenance fee would need to be raised to cover this cost - either all in one year or over several years. And to cover the costs for the amenities properties such as the executive courses, rec centers, postal station, etc. your amenity fee would need to be adjusted also.

Yes, the smoke from the burning really sucks, but but it could be a lot worse. What you are seeing/smelling at the south end of TV isn't likely from the debris that was removed from TV but form other local entities.

[BoatRatKat]

Originally Posted by Goldwingnut

Burning the debris is exactly what was planned all along, it was made public knowledge long ago. There are two dumping locations used for TV debris pickup, one up at the north end, the other is at the corner of 468 and the Turnpike. The north dump site received over 28,000 cubic yards of debris according to the DPM at the October PWAC meeting, he didn't have the numbers on the south site at the time but said it was similar. If one assumes a standard size 12x24 swimming pool with an average depth of 4 feet, you could fill that pool over 650 times with just the debris from the north site, if the south site is similar then we're talking over 1000 swimming pools that could be filled. That's a lot of debris!

Mulching on the surface seem a better idea, but it really isn't. It is very labor and energy intensive and the product would be of low quality and would still have to be disposed of some how. Good quality mulch is generally of a consistent and single product such as cypress, oak, pine, or leaves. What is in the debris piles is a mixture of palm trees, palm leaves, various tree trunks, root balls, dirt, and who knows what else, it defiantly would not produce a product you would want to spread on your flower beds. Burning is the government approved method of disposal of this material, will require the least amount of effort, and will leave the smallest amount of residual material that will need to be ultimately disposed of. Mother nature does her share of "air pollution" all the time with wild fires (look at California), this will be a drop in the ocean.

Given the costs incurred so far for debris pick-up and disposal - MILLIONS - in TV, we defiantly want to take the least expensive route of getting rid of the storm debris. And no "the developer" isn't going to pay for this and shouldn't, all they own north of SR44 is the championship courses and the commercial areas, everything else WE the tax payers/local governments own and are responsible for. The developer will pay a portion of the cost for debris removed from their property as each truck load brought to the dump site was accounted for by source so the at the appropriate entity (CDD, project wide, amenity fund, developer, ect.) would get billed the correct portion.

We should all hope that FEMA and the state both approve the reimbursement for these cost otherwise we as the residents will have to pick up that cost. Here's the simple math - if the numbered district's (CDD 1-12) and project wide portion is $10,000,000 and there are about 60,000 homes in these districts, this equates to about $165 per home to cover this cost. Yes, the districts have some capital budget reserves but this would be hit heavily to pay for this so maintenance fee would need to be raised to cover this cost - either all in one year or over several years. And to cover the costs for the amenities properties such as the executive courses, rec centers, postal station, etc. your amenity fee would need to be adjusted also.

Yes, the smoke from the burning really sucks, but but it could be a lot worse. What you are seeing/smelling at the south end of TV isn't likely from the debris that was removed from TV but form other local entities.

It's strange that it would not be from Irma because we've lived here for over a year now and have never noticed any smoke until recently. If it is debris from Irma then it's understandable and we just deal with it until it's all been burned. It would be upsetting if this is going to be the new evening norm considering being outside after 6PM is quite unpleasant.

[pauld315]

Originally Posted by BoatRatKat

It's strange that it would not be from Irma because we've lived here for over a year now and have never noticed any smoke until recently. If it is debris from Irma then it's understandable and we just deal with it until it's all been burned. It would be upsetting if this is going to be the new evening norm considering being outside after 6PM is quite unpleasant.

I don't see where it was said it wasn't from Irma, he just said it wasn't from Irma debris form TV, that it is debris from outside TV.

[BoatRatKat]

Originally Posted by pauld315

I don't see where it was said it wasn't from Irma, he just said it wasn't from Irma debris form TV, that it is debris from outside TV.

Right you are, thanks for clarifying that for me.