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Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money

The Case against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money: Bryan Caplan: 9780691174655: Amazon.com: Books

Despite being immensely popular--and immensely lucrative―education is grossly overrated. In this explosive book, Bryan Caplan argues that the primary function of education is not to enhance students' skill but to certify their intelligence, work ethic, and conformity―in other words, to signal the qualities of a good employee. Learn why students hunt for easy As and casually forget most of what they learn after the final exam, why decades of growing access to education have not resulted in better jobs for the average worker but instead in runaway credential inflation, how employers reward workers for costly schooling they rarely if ever use, and why cutting education spending is the best remedy.

Caplan draws on the latest social science to show how the labor market values grades over knowledge, and why the more education your rivals have, the more you need to impress employers. He explains why graduation is our society's top conformity signal, and why even the most useless degrees can certify employability. He advocates two major policy responses. The first is educational austerity. Government needs to sharply cut education funding to curb this wasteful rat race. The second is more vocational education, because practical skills are more socially valuable than teaching students how to outshine their peers.

Romantic notions about education being "good for the soul" must yield to careful research and common sense―The Case against Education points the way.





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Public edication and college is tools for teachers, grants and studies. Education it secondary with lots of useless degrees for money sucking purposes. They pollute young minds with their political agenda for union benefits for teachers. Colleges suck money out of government by neptunium good old boy systems for grants, studies, and useless research. at the end of the day it's about MONEY, VOTES, and control. Been in practice for 50 years at least and now it's paying off big time. Basically a big lie, most would get more out of trade school, at least they would have skill.

Education is a good thing. Unfortunately our schools have turned into Liberal indoctrination centers.

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Education is a good thing. Unfortunately our schools have turned into Liberal indoctrination centers.

Where there are no failures.....everybody wins and nobody loses....where the neutering of excelling and over achievers are made to be on the same level as the care less dregs.

High Schools need to bring back shop and trade classes for all students and technical degrees for those willing to extend their education rather than getting a useless liberal arts degree.


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Originally Posted by Guest

Public edication and college is tools for teachers, grants and studies. Education it secondary with lots of useless degrees for money sucking purposes. They pollute young minds with their political agenda for union benefits for teachers. Colleges suck money out of government by neptunium good old boy systems for grants, studies, and useless research. at the end of the day it's about MONEY, VOTES, and control. Been in practice for 50 years at least and now it's paying off big time. Basically a big lie, most would get more out of trade school, at least they would have skill.

Originally Posted by Guest

Education is a good thing. Unfortunately our schools have turned into Liberal indoctrination centers.

Originally Posted by Guest

Where there are no failures.....everybody wins and nobody loses....where the neutering of excelling and over achievers are made to be on the same level as the care less dregs.

Originally Posted by Guest

High Schools need to bring back shop and trade classes for all students and technical degrees for those willing to extend their education rather than getting a useless liberal arts degree.


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If you want to DO SOMETHING about Femo-Fascism besides complain about it...

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Government education is the AIDS virus of Femo-Fascism.

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Originally Posted by Guest

High Schools need to bring back shop and trade classes for all students and technical degrees for those willing to extend their education rather than getting a useless liberal arts degree.


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So true......or at least create some kind of avenue of exposure for those students who would like to explore that route. In the area where I currently live, students who wish to do part of their high school education at the local trade school are permitted to do so. Unfortunately, not all areas have access to this.

I've talked to several young people about trade school vs college and encouraged them to go that route if they have a desire to do so. Here's my thoughts on it - if you go and learn a trade and still want to go on to college after that, at least you now have a way to make some decent money while going to college. You're also a little older and maybe a little more responsible by then. So many young people blow off those years at college by partying, etc. I don't see much sense in going these days unless you have a specific career path such as pursuing a professional degree of some sort. Otherwise, too much money, too much temptation.

From most of the above posts I see that the conservatives are winning their battle to keep voters uneducated and incapable of critical thinking. Every conservative outlet manages to link "liberal" with "education". That's why so many conservative voters are unaware of how to evaluate climate science or excellence in media, how to research and evaluate that research, how and when to question their "leaders". Conservative thinkers have been shown to value "authority" more than liberals, so when the "authority" tells them that college is a waste of time, they obediently accept low level blue collar jobs.

Pay gap between college grads and everyone else at a record

Originally Posted by Guest

From most of the above posts I see that the conservatives are winning their battle to keep voters uneducated and incapable of critical thinking. Every conservative outlet manages to link "liberal" with "education". That's why so many conservative voters are unaware of how to evaluate climate science or excellence in media, how to research and evaluate that research, how and when to question their "leaders". Conservative thinkers have been shown to value "authority" more than liberals, so when the "authority" tells them that college is a waste of time, they obediently accept low level blue collar jobs.

Pay gap between college grads and everyone else at a record

Would you like fries with that? lol

Originally Posted by Guest

From most of the above posts I see that the conservatives are winning their battle to keep voters uneducated and incapable of critical thinking. Every conservative outlet manages to link "liberal" with "education". That's why so many conservative voters are unaware of how to evaluate climate science or excellence in media, how to research and evaluate that research, how and when to question their "leaders". Conservative thinkers have been shown to value "authority" more than liberals, so when the "authority" tells them that college is a waste of time, they obediently accept low level blue collar jobs.

Pay gap between college grads and everyone else at a record

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And how's the weather on Planet Femo?

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Originally Posted by Guest

From most of the above posts I see that the conservatives are winning their battle to keep voters uneducated and incapable of critical thinking. Every conservative outlet manages to link "liberal" with "education". That's why so many conservative voters are unaware of how to evaluate climate science or excellence in media, how to research and evaluate that research, how and when to question their "leaders". Conservative thinkers have been shown to value "authority" more than liberals, so when the "authority" tells them that college is a waste of time, they obediently accept low level blue collar jobs.

Pay gap between college grads and everyone else at a record

You think the trades are low level? I bet many make a lot more than you ever did. When I had a major remodel done on my house 10+ years ago, my contractor paid the electrician $250/hr. Made me re-think the $100,000+ college education my son got, earning a dual major in 4 years and then scrambling for one of those "wonderful" white color jobs. Believe me, he is no where near the $250/hour level and most likely will never see that figure. In the meantime, to this day he tells me what a waste most of his higher education was even though he chose a specific career path. He learned more in the courses that he opted to take at the local community college than he did at the well known university that he attended. Lucky for us he's a pretty smart and motivated young man and has figured out how to make money in more entrepreneurial ways or he would be just another nightmare college statistic like so many young college grads that I see today - steeped in debt and lucky to get a $10/hour job.

I just briefed the article you linked. It does not explain the standards that have changed in the workplace. What was once a job that a high school grad could obtain is now being taken by a college grad. It's not that the job has changed, it's the fact that there are so many more college grads these days looking for jobs that employers can now use a college degree as a standard requirement for employment. I noticed this changeover when my son was going to college many years back. A good example of this is a bank teller - most now require college degrees. In the meantime, what used to be entry level jobs for college grads now advertise the need for 5-10 years experience. It's a no win situation for the majority of college grads - the times have changed since we were at the same place in our lives.

Originally Posted by Guest

You think the trades are low level? I bet many make a lot more than you ever did. When I had a major remodel done on my house 10+ years ago, my contractor paid the electrician $250/hr. Made me re-think the $100,000+ college education my son got, earning a dual major in 4 years and then scrambling for one of those "wonderful" white color jobs. Believe me, he is no where near the $250/hour level and most likely will never see that figure. In the meantime, to this day he tells me what a waste most of his higher education was even though he chose a specific career path. He learned more in the courses that he opted to take at the local community college than he did at the well known university that he attended. Lucky for us he's a pretty smart and motivated young man and has figured out how to make money in more entrepreneurial ways or he would be just another nightmare college statistic like so many young college grads that I see today - steeped in debt and lucky to get a $10/hour job.

I just briefed the article you linked. It does not explain the standards that have changed in the workplace. What was once a job that a high school grad could obtain is now being taken by a college grad. It's not that the job has changed, it's the fact that there are so many more college grads these days looking for jobs that employers can now use a college degree as a standard requirement for employment. I noticed this changeover when my son was going to college many years back. A good example of this is a bank teller - most now require college degrees. In the meantime, what used to be entry level jobs for college grads now advertise the need for 5-10 years experience. It's a no win situation for the majority of college grads - the times have changed since we were at the same place in our lives.

I'm throwing the BS flag on that.


Which brings into question...a lot of other things you claim.



Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Originally Posted by Guest

From most of the above posts I see that the conservatives are winning their battle to keep voters uneducated and incapable of critical thinking. Every conservative outlet manages to link "liberal" with "education". That's why so many conservative voters are unaware of how to evaluate climate science or excellence in media, how to research and evaluate that research, how and when to question their "leaders". Conservative thinkers have been shown to value "authority" more than liberals, so when the "authority" tells them that college is a waste of time, they obediently accept low level blue collar jobs.

Pay gap between college grads and everyone else at a record

Originally Posted by Guest

You think the trades are low level? I bet many make a lot more than you ever did. When I had a major remodel done on my house 10+ years ago, my contractor paid the electrician $250/hr. Made me re-think the $100,000+ college education my son got, earning a dual major in 4 years and then scrambling for one of those "wonderful" white color jobs. Believe me, he is no where near the $250/hour level and most likely will never see that figure. In the meantime, to this day he tells me what a waste most of his higher education was even though he chose a specific career path. He learned more in the courses that he opted to take at the local community college than he did at the well known university that he attended. Lucky for us he's a pretty smart and motivated young man and has figured out how to make money in more entrepreneurial ways or he would be just another nightmare college statistic like so many young college grads that I see today - steeped in debt and lucky to get a $10/hour job.

I just briefed the article you linked. It does not explain the standards that have changed in the workplace. What was once a job that a high school grad could obtain is now being taken by a college grad. It's not that the job has changed, it's the fact that there are so many more college grads these days looking for jobs that employers can now use a college degree as a standard requirement for employment. I noticed this changeover when my son was going to college many years back. A good example of this is a bank teller - most now require college degrees. In the meantime, what used to be entry level jobs for college grads now advertise the need for 5-10 years experience. It's a no win situation for the majority of college grads - the times have changed since we were at the same place in our lives.

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Points well taken for the naive, View-ish, coffee-klatch remarks you responded to.

However, I'd like to point out that the $250/hr electrician is not a free market price for labor. It is a trade-guild racket price. These trades have rigged the system with trade licencing laws to restrict the supply of fill-in-the-blank labor to force up prices, and as you can see, it works, for them, meanwhile you the consumer gets screwed.

This is true for many of the building trades (plumbers and electricians are notorious for) but also doctors (!) (high health care costs, anyone?), dentist, lawyers, accountants... all have their own supply restricting rackets with the (usually) the state governments. These trade restriction laws are Type 2 laws. More on those, as follows:

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The Structure Of Politics: Type 1 vs. Type 2 laws


Femo-Fascism 101

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Responding to all of the above, my son (graduate, MBA, and daughter in law (graduate) together earn over half a million a year. I, as a college grad, managed to pick "Liberal Arts" and made nowhere near that ever in any salaried position...so I made my living in real estate. Nevertheless, I used my education in that I was able to make conversation with people of every background, since I knew a "little" about a lot of things. It never hurts to know how to spell and use the English language correctly, to know where Belgium is located (it happened) or to know something about a hobby your client may be interested in. Anybody can do that, of course, but I still believe higher education gives you the background where you don't have to start from scratch.

Beyond just the basics of education, the college experience teaches an 18 year old how to live with all kinds of other people, how to adjust being thrown into a totally different experience, how to use your brain discussing subjects with other bright people, how to challenge your professors (without getting flunked), and generally gives young people time to grow up. Military service might do the same, I guess.