I can't believe that nobody has posted this.

Today, Glenn Beck who believes that POTUS Obama is surrounded by Marxists and others who are hell bent on dismantling American capitalism "brick by brick." Beck said forget what you think of him be he fool, liar or idiot.

What if he is right?

Does it matter?

Dint tell us what you think of the argument or what you think Beck. Tell us if it would matter to you that Obama was surrounded my Marxists who want to end capitalism in America.

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

I can't believe that nobody has posted this.

Today, Glenn Beck who believes that POTUS Obama is surrounded by Marxists and others who are hell bent on dismantling American capitalism "brick by brick." Beck said forget what you think of him be he fool, liar or idiot.

What if he is right?

Does it matter?

Dint tell us what you think of the argument or what you think Beck. Tell us if it would matter to you that Obama was surrounded my Marxists who want to end capitalism in America.

Yoda

OMG! You ask for an honest debate and then you bring up something as ridiculous as this!

Originally Posted by chelsea24

OMG! You ask for an honest debate and then you bring up something as ridiculous as this!

Why can't you answer the question? Surely you must be able to. I am surprised that you didn't blame Bush?

C'mon Chels, just tell us. Would it matter to you if it were true?

Yoda

My answer is "consider the source".

There's a famous tape of Glen Beck contradicting himself in 70 seconds where he says Obama is racist and hates white people, then says he isn't.

Also remember that these are the people (Glen Beck, et al) who just last year would spot lines like how it was unpatriotic to disagree with the administration.

If it was wrong to question Bush's service record for it's "gaps" and stories about whatever indiscretions he may have performed decades ago, it is equally wrong to look that far into the past of others and perform the same "analysis" to extrapolate one's intentions.

Originally Posted by djplong

My answer is "consider the source".

There's a famous tape of Glen Beck contradicting himself in 70 seconds where he says Obama is racist and hates white people, then says he isn't.

Also remember that these are the people (Glen Beck, et al) who just last year would spot lines like how it was unpatriotic to disagree with the administration.

If it was wrong to question Bush's service record for it's "gaps" and stories about whatever indiscretions he may have performed decades ago, it is equally wrong to look that far into the past of others and perform the same "analysis" to extrapolate one's intentions.

The question was not if you trust Glenn Beck. The question was, if it were true that Obama was surrounded by Marxists, hell bent on destroying capitalism in the United Stated, would it matter?

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

The question was not if you trust Glenn Beck. The question was, if it were true that Obama was surrounded by Marxists, hell bent on destroying capitalism in the United Stated, would it matter?

Yoda

The whole idea is preposterous. Only a moron like Glen Beck would put it out there and it doesn't say much for his audience if they put any stock in what he says. He calls himself an entertainer and he is certainly entertaining his loyal followers with hatred, lies and fabrications. He could be "the voice" of the GOP! Aren't ya excited? I am.

Does this make me a moron: I being a believer in the free enterprise system
feel that if Beck were correct then Obama and his team would surely destroy everything we know and love about our Country.

This being the case is there a way we can find out if Beck has any facts to back up his premise. Calling Beck and I guess me morons will not help us get the facts behind the premise.

If you are not interested in checking the facts what kind of a contribution are you making by bashing the messenger.

to the question?
My answer, whether the question is hypothetical or real remains to be seen.... is that it would and should matter to any American who loves this country.

From a reality perspective, it must matter to some WH officials if one looks back at the heat generated by Michael Vick's background, once exposed.

One has to wonder how such controversial personnel issues can go from the quiet of day, to an ember smoldering, to a raging torch, back to a smoldering ember and once again the quiet of day......with no further commentary from concerned Americans. Politics....what a miraculous, hypocritical, two faced ointment.

btk

Also when you bash Beck's and Fox's audience you are bashing millions of Liberals, Independents and conservatives both Democrats and Republicans.

When you do this you you are not helping Obama and his team but thank you you are helping the morons among us who love the free enterprise system.

Perhaps I can explain it this way.

If someone is yelling about conspiracy theories on a soapbox in the park up town, I'm most likely going to ignore him.

If stories start coming out about conspiracy theories in local and national newspapers, wire services, etc - I'll take them much more seriously.

People who worry about Obama "surrounding himself with marxists", in my opinion, have to take a step back. Need I remind ANYONE of the "USA PATRIOT" Act? Where were all the people screaming about the unbelievable infringment on our rights? Warrantless wiretapps, illegal search and seizure, no right to trial - literally driving stakes into the Constitution.

Oh yeah - they were shouted down and called "unAmerican" by the so-called "republicans".

Sure, I was in favor of letting law enforcement agencies trade information wher ethey hadn't been allowed before. That only makes sense. But the Patriot Act is an abomination. But people are worried about an economic policy that caused the government to 'buy' GM? Here's a hint - you can vote them out in 3 years. By comparison, we still have the Patriot Act. Where can I vote that out? It's been around for 8.

Limbaugh falls victim to a hoax about Obama's supposed thesis because he was so anxious to have ammunition he didn't bother to fact-check things.

Fox News calls 70,000 Tea Party protestors in D.C. a major movement. But when more people show up for gay rights, they can't be bothered to even point a camera out their window. In fact, the put their cameras out to an EMPTY PARK to say "here's where a small protest happend previously about a girl in a school who didn't want to write something about Obama".

I've not been a fan of CNN for a long time. I don't particularly care for the liberal slant without balance. But Fox is so over-the-top with their own slant that I cringe when I actually agree with them.

I can't believe I'm actually longing for the days when the worst news out of DC was who was taking Clinton's pants off. And now you have the same people who were out for Clinton's blood doing the same to Obama who inherited a multi TRILLION dollar mess.

I'm no fan of Obama in general - but to blame him for what he inherited... I mean, do we NOT remember Reagan making the same complaints when he took office in '80? Do we not remember Reagan's slogan in '84 of "you can't change 40 years of Democrat influence in just 4 years"?

Asking a question of whether Obama is surrounded by Marxists is like asking if Bush was surrounded by Nazis.

Originally Posted by djplong

Perhaps I can explain it this way.

If someone is yelling about conspiracy theories on a soapbox in the park up town, I'm most likely going to ignore him.

If stories start coming out about conspiracy theories in local and national newspapers, wire services, etc - I'll take them much more seriously.

People who worry about Obama "surrounding himself with marxists", in my opinion, have to take a step back. Need I remind ANYONE of the "USA PATRIOT" Act? Where were all the people screaming about the unbelievable infringment on our rights? Warrantless wiretapps, illegal search and seizure, no right to trial - literally driving stakes into the Constitution.

Oh yeah - they were shouted down and called "unAmerican" by the so-called "republicans".

Sure, I was in favor of letting law enforcement agencies trade information wher ethey hadn't been allowed before. That only makes sense. But the Patriot Act is an abomination. But people are worried about an economic policy that caused the government to 'buy' GM? Here's a hint - you can vote them out in 3 years. By comparison, we still have the Patriot Act. Where can I vote that out? It's been around for 8.

Limbaugh falls victim to a hoax about Obama's supposed thesis because he was so anxious to have ammunition he didn't bother to fact-check things.

Fox News calls 70,000 Tea Party protestors in D.C. a major movement. But when more people show up for gay rights, they can't be bothered to even point a camera out their window. In fact, the put their cameras out to an EMPTY PARK to say "here's where a small protest happend previously about a girl in a school who didn't want to write something about Obama".

I've not been a fan of CNN for a long time. I don't particularly care for the liberal slant without balance. But Fox is so over-the-top with their own slant that I cringe when I actually agree with them.

I can't believe I'm actually longing for the days when the worst news out of DC was who was taking Clinton's pants off. And now you have the same people who were out for Clinton's blood doing the same to Obama who inherited a multi TRILLION dollar mess.

I'm no fan of Obama in general - but to blame him for what he inherited... I mean, do we NOT remember Reagan making the same complaints when he took office in '80? Do we not remember Reagan's slogan in '84 of "you can't change 40 years of Democrat influence in just 4 years"?

Asking a question of whether Obama is surrounded by Marxists is like asking if Bush was surrounded by Nazis.

First of all, I am sure you are aware that this adminstration supports most of, if not all of the Patriot act !!! While there is a move in congress to amend some of it (Lone wolf provision, etc) it is basically all okay with this administration !

You refer to "conspiracy theories"...I am sorry...I have not heard any of those theories. As one who has been opposed to this President for a long long time because of his training, background, AND actions I certainly get very nervous when someone with "marxist" tendencies is appointed by him to a position of authority.

During the campaign many of those folks on here who supported Obama when I expressed my concern about his background and training made the point that if elected President he will not be able to appoint like folk to his administration but it does appear that he is trying.

Keep in mind, this President has been surrounded by the type of folks who do not have faith in capitalism...who has espoused marxist type theories for most of his life.

So, in answer to Yoda's question, it is important who the President surrounds himself with and as someone who does not espouse marxist theories then it would be a cause of great concern to me !

PS: To you and those who dont like Fox and seem totally obssesed with them (like the White House) then dont watch them although I read where their viewership just keeps on rising !

Originally Posted by djplong

Perhaps I can explain it this way.

If someone is yelling about conspiracy theories on a soapbox in the park up town, I'm most likely going to ignore him.

If stories start coming out about conspiracy theories in local and national newspapers, wire services, etc - I'll take them much more seriously.

People who worry about Obama "surrounding himself with marxists", in my opinion, have to take a step back. Need I remind ANYONE of the "USA PATRIOT" Act? Where were all the people screaming about the unbelievable infringment on our rights? Warrantless wiretapps, illegal search and seizure, no right to trial - literally driving stakes into the Constitution.

Oh yeah - they were shouted down and called "unAmerican" by the so-called "republicans".

Sure, I was in favor of letting law enforcement agencies trade information wher ethey hadn't been allowed before. That only makes sense. But the Patriot Act is an abomination. But people are worried about an economic policy that caused the government to 'buy' GM? Here's a hint - you can vote them out in 3 years. By comparison, we still have the Patriot Act. Where can I vote that out? It's been around for 8.

Limbaugh falls victim to a hoax about Obama's supposed thesis because he was so anxious to have ammunition he didn't bother to fact-check things.

Fox News calls 70,000 Tea Party protestors in D.C. a major movement. But when more people show up for gay rights, they can't be bothered to even point a camera out their window. In fact, the put their cameras out to an EMPTY PARK to say "here's where a small protest happend previously about a girl in a school who didn't want to write something about Obama".

I've not been a fan of CNN for a long time. I don't particularly care for the liberal slant without balance. But Fox is so over-the-top with their own slant that I cringe when I actually agree with them.

I can't believe I'm actually longing for the days when the worst news out of DC was who was taking Clinton's pants off. And now you have the same people who were out for Clinton's blood doing the same to Obama who inherited a multi TRILLION dollar mess.

I'm no fan of Obama in general - but to blame him for what he inherited... I mean, do we NOT remember Reagan making the same complaints when he took office in '80? Do we not remember Reagan's slogan in '84 of "you can't change 40 years of Democrat influence in just 4 years"?

Asking a question of whether Obama is surrounded by Marxists is like asking if Bush was surrounded by Nazis.

You just cannot bring yourself to answer the question, can you.

Yoda

What part of "consider the source" and "yelling about conspiracy theories" did you not understand?

Then I'll answer the question directly - NO. To be honest, if Glen Beck said the sky was blue, I'd look up.

Why? Because he's interested in ratings and conflict. The same way Limbaugh got caught. Limbaugh wasn't interested in the truth, he was interested in winning a fight - didn't matter if it was true or not.

And before you pidgeon-hole me, after all I'm relatively new here, I've used Limbaugh's website in the past to back up certain assertations because it was a LOT easier to collect certain information published about tax returns than to navigate through the IRS website.

When someone is right, it does me no good to say "no he isn't".

The Republican Party bears NO resemblance to the party by that name in my youth. (And, for the record, Reagan in 1980 was the first President I was old enough to vote for) The Democrats are closer to their ideals (whether or not I agree with them) but are also colossal sellouts.

As to revisit the idea that I'm not being able to bring myself to answer the question - the original question was 3 words: "Does it matter?"

Does what Glen Beck says matter? No. He's acting like a moonbat. Think of the difference in deliverance between Beck and when Walter cronkite delivered HIS opinions.

So then when the question of Beck's OPINION that Obama is surrounded by Marxosts was answered ("No"), you either changed or clarified the question to a point that ASSUMED Beck's OPINION was fact. The goalposts, as they say, were moved. This is despite the fact that you asked "What if he's right?"

It's like saying "John Doe says the sky will turn yellow and this will destroy the Blue Paint Industry - what if he's right?"

Now, perhaps if you named some of these "Marxists" or pointed to a Beck-sourced list, at least I could look for myself and THEN judge whether or not it 'matters' or if I agree with the assertation of how dangerous it is.

Originally Posted by djplong

What part of "consider the source" and "yelling about conspiracy theories" did you not understand?

Then I'll answer the question directly - NO. To be honest, if Glen Beck said the sky was blue, I'd look up.

Why? Because he's interested in ratings and conflict. The same way Limbaugh got caught. Limbaugh wasn't interested in the truth, he was interested in winning a fight - didn't matter if it was true or not.

And before you pidgeon-hole me, after all I'm relatively new here, I've used Limbaugh's website in the past to back up certain assertations because it was a LOT easier to collect certain information published about tax returns than to navigate through the IRS website.

When someone is right, it does me no good to say "no he isn't".

The Republican Party bears NO resemblance to the party by that name in my youth. (And, for the record, Reagan in 1980 was the first President I was old enough to vote for) The Democrats are closer to their ideals (whether or not I agree with them) but are also colossal sellouts.

As to revisit the idea that I'm not being able to bring myself to answer the question - the original question was 3 words: "Does it matter?"

Does what Glen Beck says matter? No. He's acting like a moonbat. Think of the difference in deliverance between Beck and when Walter cronkite delivered HIS opinions.

So then when the question of Beck's OPINION that Obama is surrounded by Marxosts was answered ("No"), you either changed or clarified the question to a point that ASSUMED Beck's OPINION was fact. The goalposts, as they say, were moved. This is despite the fact that you asked "What if he's right?"

It's like saying "John Doe says the sky will turn yellow and this will destroy the Blue Paint Industry - what if he's right?"

Now, perhaps if you named some of these "Marxists" or pointed to a Beck-sourced list, at least I could look for myself and THEN judge whether or not it 'matters' or if I agree with the assertation of how dangerous it is.

Anita Dunn...the WH says she was joking when she said how she admired Mao

Carol Browner....past member (although it is now hard to find..most references earased) of Socialist International...actually she was one of the leaders of the group.

Cecilia Munoz....a leader in the group La Raza, a very questionable chicano organization. If you you favor immigration reform, you may not like this group.

Robert Bauer....served as an attorney for Obama Brown Shirts (a somewhat interesting organization)

Dr James Hansen...who supports openly using global warming as a way to redistribute weatlh

Van Jones...of course one of the czars and we do not have to revisit this as he has resigned.

Now,that is a START, and simply a start...but if you need further I will be glad to supply.

You ignore YODA's intial question and again must go after Beck and Limbaugh...let me ask you something.....are you one who follows the verbage of Olberman or Maddow as two examples ?

I am curious about that since with all this talk about Fox only, it is as if they just came on the scene last week...and the issue to me is this....how can a President of the United States declare war on a news organization and THAT FACT not be something of outrage ?

Did you hear the interview with Dunn on CNN where she was also asked about MSNBC and began to backpedal even on Fox. Remember, we have a SITTING President of the United States going after publicly a news source. Imagine with Bush's poor poll numbers and poor press had that WH taken the same tack !

instead of the usual rock throwing....both parties.

As far as who said what and their character....it is so easy to google and research.....like the Van Jones issue. No matter who brought him to the light of day.....just google his name and see what is written about him.....as an example.

The keyboard is much like the CB of days of old. Those who would not say boo in a quorum.....achieve verbose catharsis in anonymity.....and we are for the most part all anonomous here.....eh?

btk