[terrieb]

My husband and I have been going back and forth renting houses in the Villages to get a feel for life here. Then I read a few articles about the IRS and the Villages management in a battle over back taxes and the bonds implemented when you purchase a home saying they (the Villages management have no authority to initiate this bond). For fear of retrobution and or additional monies being tossed to the residents to have to pay, we have decided to not move here solely for that reason. Also, we hear there are so many "ammenity fees" that you pay just to live in the Villages. Is there information on this IRS issue I can review and how many "fees" does one pay just to live in the Villages?

I would appreciate input from anyone!!!

[mulligan]

The bonds being referred to are NOT the bonds on the individual homes!!! There is ONE amenity fee. About $135.00 per month for everyone, and an annual CDD maintennance fee which varies by district.

[graciegirl]

I agree with Mitchell. Read EdvinMass threads.

The Villages Developers don't owe back taxes.

The Villages is so very successful that it takes away from sales from other retirement areas.

In my opinion not everyone who posts on here has our best interests at heart. There are some ulterior motives for engendering fear about this.

[rjm1cc]

You have to be careful when you compair costs. For the home I would add the amount of the bond to the price of a house and use this total to compare to developments that do not have a bond.
The ammenity fee gets harder as different developments include different services. You have to add up what you think you will spend in each development and compare. For example in most developments the "gym" is include but it adds about 33% more to the TV cost since it is not included.

[2BNTV]

Terri B:

A post from EdVinMass:

I would think that you folks in TV would welcome this article because in my mind, it shows how the CDD form of master-planned community developments can work if managed properly as has clearly been done here in TV. And I might add that the Morse family has been at this project for well over two decades. It’s the ‘Johnny come lately’ developers that rushed into this for a fast killing during the boom years of 2002-2007 that are failing.

PTurner asked a pertinent question regarding how non-cdd developments have done through all of this. There’s probably not much info on this since they’re privately funded. But I think it would follow the same pattern of when the project was started. But what’s particularly bad about the privately funded developments is that they tended to sell homes before the promised amenities were built. Not good for those that believed what they wanted to hear.

As for the IRS ruling, let me say once again. Regardless of the outcome, there is absolutely no way that a homeowner in TV will be obligated to pay a dime of this. Your sole obligation is to pay the $135 per month amenity fee and that can never be raised more than the change in the CPI, (consumer price index), in any year. So no special assessments can be levied and those two special CDDs have no taxing power on the homeowners.

And to that I have not a ‘Shadow’ of a doubt.

[misky]

Terrie,

I just bought a lovely home in Woodbury in June. I plan on being there full time in two years. For the last four years, I have been visiting TV, checking home prices, gaining an understanding on fees and taxes, checking resale values and following this IRS issue, etc. I'm an auditor by training, so I am skeptical of everything. I had no issue with this IRS thing when I bought. In my line of business, you make decisions on the information and facts. From everything I researched, the IRS thing was so inconclusive, it became a non factor in my decision. Everything other fact and information make me feel confident in my decision.

My point is everything has a weighted factor in decision making. This IRS thing was only a minor issue to me.

[dillywho]

This same issue came up in 1999 and the IRS had to back off then. There are plenty of everyday things to "worry" about without this. The developers have done plenty right or this place would not continue to grow.

[golfnut]

I agree that the IRS issue is a minor issue, JMO....gn

[EdV]

Originally Posted by terrieb

..... Is there information on this IRS issue I can review and how many "fees" does one pay just to live in the Villages?

Here's a link to an article just published that should answer that:

http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/P...20100826000801

[cynkr67]

Thanks for all the good (and comforting) information. I've been a little tweeked since finding out about this (after purchasing our home). It sounds like I don't need to spend another minute worrying!

[golf2140]

Originally Posted by cynkr67

Thanks for all the good (and comforting) information. I've been a little tweeked since finding out about this (after purchasing our home). It sounds like I don't need to spend another minute worrying!

Don't worry be happy. We are to old to worry about something we can't control. This issue has been around for years. It's being pushed buy a reporter looking for her first pulitizer.

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by terrieb

My husband and I have been going back and forth renting houses in the Villages to get a feel for life here. Then I read a few articles about the IRS and the Villages management in a battle over back taxes and the bonds implemented when you purchase a home saying they (the Villages management have no authority to initiate this bond). For fear of retrobution and or additional monies being tossed to the residents to have to pay, we have decided to not move here solely for that reason. Also, we hear there are so many "ammenity fees" that you pay just to live in the Villages. Is there information on this IRS issue I can review and how many "fees" does one pay just to live in the Villages?

I would appreciate input from anyone!!!

I was just reading an article in The Bond Buyer, an online financial magazine, which describes The Villages vs. IRS issue. It says the IRS had expanded its review of bonds to include about $400 million worth of bonds, and it also has problems with the CDD appraisals of recreational facitilties they valued at approximately $64 million which independent appraisals only value at about $7 million.

As residents, we're all hoping that this will go away, the IRS will rule in The Villages favor. But there are obviously no guarantees. Our amentity fees cannot go up, which begs the question, if there are tax penalties to be paid, which could be many millions of dollars, where is the money coming from?

In the meantime, as others have said, there is no point in worrying, because it certainly is out of our hands, but the wise will keep abreast of all current information while we wait to see what happens. We all love the lifestyle here, but if the IRS rules that the Morses's via the CDD's acted improperly, there is a problem, and it will be affecting the residents. Perhaps there will be a special surcharge, perhaps amenties will be dropped, who knows?

I'm not going to stick my head in the sand, and say there are no problems, the Morse's are going to take care of me, that would be foolish. When the IRS decision is made, we can then look at the facts, and be prepared to deal with the consequences. We are all hoping that this IRS inquiry will go away as the previous one did, but to me this investigation sounds much more extensive, and I suspect they do not want the method the Villages used to act as precedent for other CDD's. But for now we Villagers are in limbo. I'm sorry if this post alarms anyone, that is not the intent, but I call the facts as I see them. We all handle adversity in differerent ways, and I do it by facing things head on and getting as educated as I can about issues which affect me.

[Lou Card]

Originally Posted by Taj44

I was just reading an article in The Bond Buyer, an online financial magazine, which describes The Villages vs. IRS issue. It says the IRS had expanded its review of bonds to include about $400 million worth of bonds, and it also has problems with the CDD appraisals of recreational facitilties they valued at approximately $64 million which independent appraisals only value at about $7 million.

As residents, we're all hoping that this will go away, the IRS will rule in The Villages favor. But there are obviously no guarantees. Our amentity fees cannot go up, which begs the question, if there are tax penalties to be paid, which could be many millions of dollars, where is the money coming from?

In the meantime, as others have said, there is no point in worrying, because it certainly is out of our hands, but the wise will keep abreast of all current information while we wait to see what happens. We all love the lifestyle here, but if the IRS rules that the Morses's via the CDD's acted improperly, there is a problem, and it will be affecting the residents. Perhaps there will be a special surcharge, perhaps amenties will be dropped, who knows?

I'm not going to stick my head in the sand, and say there are no problems, the Morse's are going to take care of me, that would be foolish. When the IRS decision is made, we can then look at the facts, and be prepared to deal with the consequences. We are all hoping that this IRS inquiry will go away as the previous one did, but to me this investigation sounds much more extensive, and I suspect they do not want the method the Villages used to act as precedent for other CDD's. But for now we Villagers are in limbo.

I would recommend you try a retirement community outside of Florida. If you have this much worry about the bonds, You will never be happy here. We on the other hand love this place and trust the Morse's.

[`willy]

Originally Posted by Taj44

I was just reading an article in The Bond Buyer, an online financial magazine, which describes The Villages vs. IRS issue. It says the IRS had expanded its review of bonds to include about $400 million worth of bonds, and it also has problems with the CDD appraisals of recreational facitilties they valued at approximately $64 million which independent appraisals only value at about $7 million.

As residents, we're all hoping that this will go away, the IRS will rule in The Villages favor. But there are obviously no guarantees. Our amentity fees cannot go up, which begs the question, if there are tax penalties to be paid, which could be many millions of dollars, where is the money coming from?

In the meantime, as others have said, there is no point in worrying, because it certainly is out of our hands, but the wise will keep abreast of all current information while we wait to see what happens. We all love the lifestyle here, but if the IRS rules that the Morses's via the CDD's acted improperly, there is a problem, and it will be affecting the residents. Perhaps there will be a special surcharge, perhaps amenties will be dropped, who knows?

I'm not going to stick my head in the sand, and say there are no problems, the Morse's are going to take care of me, that would be foolish. When the IRS decision is made, we can then look at the facts, and be prepared to deal with the consequences. We are all hoping that this IRS inquiry will go away as the previous one did, but to me this investigation sounds much more extensive, and I suspect they do not want the method the Villages used to act as precedent for other CDD's. But for now we Villagers are in limbo. I'm sorry if this post alarms anyone, that is not the intent, but I call the facts as I see them. We all handle adversity in differerent ways, and I do it by facing things head on and getting as educated as I can about issues which affect me.

Well said, I love it here too

Willy

[jannd228]

"Well said, I love it here too but don't trust the Morse's.

Willy"

Developers are there to make as much money as they can, develop an area and pocket the money

I don't think in this economy you can trust anyone completely, the Morses were sued and lost before, the IRS will get their money, I think you need to develop a community group BEFORE anything else happens, it never hurts to discuss in an open forum and with the talent in The Villages you should pursue options

this is the suit they lost

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/10/St...develope.shtml