[crc19188]

I am thinking of selling my home. Only lived in it nine months. Is there any way to get around or place profit somewhere to avoid Capital Gains Tax. Please keep politics out of your answers if you can. If you cannot make them funny. Please also need serious answers. Thanks

[retiredguy123]

Not enough information. When did you buy the house? If you bought it more than a year ago, was it rental property that was subject to depreciation? If you bought it less than a year ago, was it a new Villages house where the developer will take most of the profit? How much profit do you expect to get? If you owned the house less than a year, there will be no capital gains because the gain will be taxed as ordinary income. If so, it would probably be better to wait until you have owned it a year. You can do a "like kind" tax deferred exchange, but, unless the capital gain is substantial, it is probably not worth the effort. I would suggest discussing the options with a tax professional because all of these things will affect the decision. Also, your age and overall financial situation are important. In most cases, you cannot avoid the taxes, but you can only defer them to a later time.

[crc19188]

Bought house end of June 2021. Possible 20k-25k profit. House was pre owned. Thanks for any info. Also do you know a good tax advisor. Much appreciated.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by crc19188

Bought house end of June 2021. Possible 20k-25k profit. House was pre owned. Thanks for any info. Also do you know a good tax advisor. Much appreciated.

If you are in a high tax bracket, I would wait until after June 2022 to close on the house, if you can. If so, it will be a long term capital gain and the tax rate will only be about 15-20 percent of the profit, depending on your income. In my opinion, the best option will probably be to just pay the tax. I don't think you need a tax advisor. Any tax preparer can give you the numbers.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

Originally Posted by crc19188

I am thinking of selling my home. Only lived in it nine months. Is there any way to get around or place profit somewhere to avoid Capital Gains Tax. Please keep politics out of your answers if you can. If you cannot make them funny. Please also need serious answers. Thanks

Dear friends of mine pretty much did the same thing you are thinking of doing now. Bought and sold within 7 months (they had health issues). They sold their house very fast and it almost doubled in value. Prices are going crazy now. Also, I am positive, unless the rules have changed, that as long as you bought another house Equal or higher than the amount you sold your house for, .... You will not be charged capital gains.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Rose Ann Vinci Igoe

Dear friends of mine pretty much did the same thing you are thinking of doing now. Bought and sold within 7 months (they had health issues). They sold their house very fast and it almost doubled in value. Prices are going crazy now. Also, I am positive, unless the rules have changed, that as long as you bought another house Equal or higher than the amount you sold your house for, .... You will not be charged capital gains.

You must live in the house as your primary residence for 2 of the past 5 years to avoid the capital gains tax. Buying another house doesn't help. Also, if you sell the house within one year of buying, the gain would be taxed at your ordinary income tax rate. Those rules have been in effect for many years.

[metoo21]

So for those that have done this do you calculate "profit" as the difference from your original cost + the new seller fees and the selling price?
In other words assume

Original asking price $200,000 and sold for $200,000
Your Buyers closing cost $10,000
Actual cost to buyer was $210,000

Now when selling, do you use the $210,000 as the original price/cost?

Then when you sell at a list price of $250,000 and then pay the your sellers closing costs of $15,000, you actually get $235,000 cash so you get a $25,000 profit. Or do you count the $10,000 of the original buyer's cost in the equation at all?

[villagetinker]

OP, you are asking the wrong people, you need to ask a TAX expert, IMHO, there are way too many variables that need to be considered.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by metoo21

So for those that have done this do you calculate "profit" as the difference from your original cost + the new seller fees and the selling price?
In other words assume

Original asking price $200,000 and sold for $200,000
Your Buyers closing cost $10,000
Actual cost to buyer was $210,000

Now when selling, do you use the $210,000 as the original price/cost?

Then when you sell at a list price of $250,000 and then pay the your sellers closing costs of $15,000, you actually get $235,000 cash so you get a $25,000 profit. Or do you count the $10,000 of the original buyer's cost in the equation at all?

It depends. The buyer's closing costs are typically not included in the cost basis, especially those related to getting a loan. The seller's costs typically are included in reducing the taxable gain if they are related to getting the house sold. I would suggest using TurboTax to assist you in listing every cost to see which are and are not included. When you sell a house, you will get a 1099B from the closing company declaring the proceeds that you received from the sale. That is the amount reported to the IRS, but it does not include your cost basis that you will subtract from the sale proceeds.

[courtyard]

I remember decades ago when you had to be over 50 years old to sell your house without penalty. Then "they" changed the rules which led to people flipping homes, destabilizing neighborhoods and leading to the 2008 real estate crash.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by courtyard

I remember decades ago when you had to be over 50 years old to sell your house without penalty. Then "they" changed the rules which led to people flipping homes, destabilizing neighborhoods and leading to the 2008 real estate crash.

The rule where you need to use the house as your primary residence for 2 of the past 5 years to exclude the capital gain, went into effect in 1997. But, you still need to live in the house for 2 years, which makes it difficult to do a lot of flipping.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Talk to your tax person however I believe that you have to own the home for one year to avoid taxes. You might want to plan a closing after the one year period.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

OP, you are asking the wrong people, you need to ask a TAX expert, IMHO, there are way too many variables that need to be considered.

Good advise, what happens OP if well meaning people gives you advise that causes you to pay several thousand dollars extra to the IRS?

[petsetc]

In the OP case, there is no way to avoid a taxable gain. If you don't own the house for a year+one day, the profit is ordinary income. After that, it is taxed as a capital gain. Yo might be able to defer taxes through a 1031 exchange but if you don't already know what that is, probably you don't to get involved.

The capital gain is the sale price reduced by original cost+selling cost (commissions-renovation/stuff you had to do in the 90 days prior to the sale-etc)+capital improvements you made (swimming pool, roof,etc)+monies you paid on behalf of the buyer(title insurance,buyers assistance,etc). Google it, it is all straight forward.

Use turbo-tax to do a mock-up or seek professional advice.

My best advice is to sure your closing date is after 1 year and 1 day of purchase!

FWIW

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by petsetc

In the OP case, there is no way to avoid a taxable gain. If you don't own the house for a year+one day, the profit is ordinary income. After that, it is taxed as a capital gain. Yo might be able to defer taxes through a 1031 exchange but if you don't already know what that is, probably you don't to get involved.

The capital gain is the sale price reduced by original cost+selling cost (commissions-renovation/stuff you had to do in the 90 days prior to the sale-etc)+capital improvements you made (swimming pool, roof,etc)+monies you paid on behalf of the buyer(title insurance,buyers assistance,etc). Google it, it is all straight forward.

Use turbo-tax to do a mock-up or seek professional advice.

My best advice is to sure your closing date is after 1 year and 1 day of purchase!

FWIW

I agree. But, using a 1031 exchange to defer a $20-25K capital gain would never make sense to me.