Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
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There is a 2 lane wide “golf cart driveway” (can’t think of a better way to describe it) that goes from the back of the Mallory CC parking lot down to Morse MMP which is on a hill overlooking the golf course and about 50 yards away from the course that leads to the driveway entrance to the golf course. This driveway bypasses the narrow blind curve by the tunnel that goes around Mallory CC. Wife and I have walked that “golf cart driveway” every morning for the last 4+ years and we take that path (bypass) to avoid the hill and blind curve by the Tunnel because one time I got clipped by a cart flying around the single lane blind curve while walking. Today a guy in the “booth” near this area (different one than who is usually there who we always say hello to) approached us like he was the King of Golf and told us we can’t walk there because it is “golf course property.” There is no signage that states “no pedestrians” or even that it is golf course property.
ADDED: For the many reading comprehension challenged out there: IT WAS NOT THE STARTER shack guy WHO APPROACHED ME it was the guy in the Parking Lot GAZEBO. The bagman. YA GOTTA READ before you use your keyboard! Added: There is a sign at that entrance of that cement path FROM the Morse MMP where we walk that specifically tells you to use that entrance path to go to the COUNTRY CLUB AND THE PRO SHOP which also includes the parking lot. The sign does not specify you have to drive there. While I DO NOT DISPUTE WHETHER IT IS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY or not I do wonder if there is any specific RULE that says pedestrians are not permitted in that cart driveway which is not directly connected to the course in any way? THIS IS NOT ON OR NEAR the course or golf course path itself but up on a hill overlooking the course probably 50 yards down the hill from the course. Who would I contact to discuss this if I want to question it or suggest they put a "no pedestrians" sign up if it is the case. If you are not familiar with this specific area you would have to see it to understand it's location relative to the course itself (it's nowhere near it). Edit to add: If they decided to "enforce" this alleged rule what can they do since there are ZERO signs posted stating "no pedestrians" ? Unless it is properly marked what can they do? And another edit: Posted signs obviously don't say "keep out private property" but "WELCOME" and not "welcome to only those playing the golf course, or only those driving golf carts."
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Just for clarity, is this a concrete path that connects the the golf course path to the golf cart parking at the country club?
And where is the single-lane blind curve on the MMP near the tunnel? Or are you saying that only one lane of the MMP has the blind curve (probably the right turn from the tunnel up to the country club)?
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If I remember that path correctly, it starts in the parking lot near the bag drop and allows golf carts in the cart parking area to access the starter shacks for Caroline and Virginia nines. Amelia can be accessed through the parking lot. So it appears to be very much part of the golf course operation. Since it was apparently a starter that told the OP not to use that path to walk on, I suggest going into the pro shop and have a conversation with the head golf professional.
I would have no idea if walking is permitted there. Good luck getting a satisfactory answer. |
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ANYWAY, It's an ALLEGED RULE because I have not been able to find it or any such publication of any no public access of golf cart driving areas rules. Please link me to all these rules so I can see where I went wrong. I would appreciate that if they do exist. As far as trespassing goes, they wouldn't have a chance in heck to "win" on that because no one except a golf maven such as yourself who has evidently read all the rules would know anything about that driveway unless it was marked "no pedestrian traffic" whether they have to or not. I don't play golf so how could I (or any of the dozens of others we see there every day) possibly know you can't walk on a golf cart driveway? I DO assume it is logical and common sense you can't walk on the golf course itself however not being permitted to walk on a 2 lane concrete driveway that is NOT ON OR NEAR the golf course is NOT common sense to any average person and would be prohibited so they would have a tough time getting a conviction on that without any proper signage posted. That path sets about 12 feet BELOW the putzing practice green and provides NO ACCESS to it as you have to access it from the cart parking lot or behind the CC and if it did, so what does that have to do with walking?
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![]() It absolutely is a defense and would hold up in court in a second again because of the "what would any logical person think" rule.
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You've been here longer than I have but even I have observed that almost all concrete "paths" are golf course paths. There are exceptions, but they are few and they are much shorter than the "driveway." The "driveway" connects an obvious golf course path with an obvious golf cart parking area, runs next to a golf course, runs along the practice green, and ends at the Country Club: it would take a lot for the "logical person" to miss all those indications that it is part of the golf course. Ignorance as a defense went out the window this morning when it was made clear (though it should have been clear already) that it is a golf course path on golf course property. In another post you seem to differentiate between a two-lane driveway and the one-lane-each-way MMP. On Google maps (not the best source but the best I have right now) it appears that the one-lane-each-way MMP is actually wider. I do remember that right turn out of the tunnel being a bit blind but there are far worse blind corners at nearly every gatehouse. If walking on the two-lane driveway which happens to be a golf course path is okay then wouldn't walking on the other golf course paths be okay too? And further, if paths are not off limits then why would *any* of the golf course areas (greens, fairways, etc) be off limits - why can't we walk on any of that? If the reason is because those areas are reserved for golf course use, then that reason applies to the concrete "driveway" as well. And finally, what does it really hurt if someone walks on that path when not carrying a bag of clubs? Sure, one could say, "I'm a golfer and that is for golf course use only!" and while they would be correct, what does it really hurt?
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The Villages enforce its golf course trespassing rules to mitigate liability. If your are trespassing and injured by a golf cart driver our hit by an errant golf ball, you may have an injury claim. Unless they enforce their no trespassing rules. Just accept that you are incorrect and move on.
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Simple answer to the issue:
Did you talk to the facility manager at Mallory? Did you call golf administration? |
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No, as I have no idea who or what or where they are and did ASK that question in my OP, who to contact. As I mention, we are not golfers.
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