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Old 05-14-2023, 05:46 AM
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A bill was was recently signed into law by the governor of Florida which states healthcare professionals, including insurance companies, can't be forced to violate their religious and moral/conscience convictions in order to treat a patient. Florida healthcare can now be denied based on moral, ethical, or religious beliefs.Its not just doctors, its ambulance drivers, hospitals, nurses, insurance companies, etc. So a pharmacist could refuse to fill a prescription for birth control. A doctor or nurse could refuse to help deliver the baby of a single woman, due to her lifestyle choice. An ambulance driver could refuse to pick up a gay person with Aids. The law is extremely discriminatory against LGBTQ people. A gay person in a nursing home could find themselves at risk of losing health care services, for example. I find this absolutely horrifying that it is now legal in Florida for doctors and other health care professionals to deny health care to anyone simply because they feel like it. We should be increasing access to medical care, not giving these companies and providers the right to discriminate and opt out.
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I’m not horrified. Sounds good to me.
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A bill was was recently signed into law by the governor of Florida which states healthcare professionals, including insurance companies, can't be forced to violate their religious and moral/conscience convictions in order to treat a patient. Florida healthcare can now be denied based on moral, ethical, or religious beliefs.Its not just doctors, its ambulance drivers, hospitals, nurses, insurance companies, etc. So a pharmacist could refuse to fill a prescription for birth control. A doctor or nurse could refuse to help deliver the baby of a single woman, due to her lifestyle choice. An ambulance driver could refuse to pick up a gay person with Aids. The law is extremely discriminatory against LGBTQ people. A gay person in a nursing home could find themselves at risk of losing health care services, for example. I find this absolutely horrifying that it is now legal in Florida for doctors and other health care professionals to deny health care to anyone simply because they feel like it. We should be increasing access to medical care, not giving these companies and providers the right to discriminate and opt out.
Being Denied Health-care at The Villages Hospital May save your Life..,
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That could be true!
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A bill was was recently signed into law by the governor of Florida which states healthcare professionals, including insurance companies, can't be forced to violate their religious and moral/conscience convictions in order to treat a patient. Florida healthcare can now be denied based on moral, ethical, or religious beliefs.Its not just doctors, its ambulance drivers, hospitals, nurses, insurance companies, etc. So a pharmacist could refuse to fill a prescription for birth control. A doctor or nurse could refuse to help deliver the baby of a single woman, due to her lifestyle choice. An ambulance driver could refuse to pick up a gay person with Aids. The law is extremely discriminatory against LGBTQ people. A gay person in a nursing home could find themselves at risk of losing health care services, for example. I find this absolutely horrifying that it is now legal in Florida for doctors and other health care professionals to deny health care to anyone simply because they feel like it. We should be increasing access to medical care, not giving these companies and providers the right to discriminate and opt out.


“Healthcare at Risk”? This hate-based horror, including misogyny, goes well beyond the potential for risk.

So life and death decisions can now be based on nothing more than the subjectivity of anyone working at any level of healthcare?

This looks to me like it grants a “License to Kill.”

Hmmm, for those who jump on this law’s bandwagon, ya know…..there could be some working in healthcare who decide it’s time for old, white people in the hospital to go see Jesus….

Think! Please think!

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“Healthcare at Risk”? This hate-based horror, including misogyny, goes well beyond the potential for risk.

So life and death decisions can now be based on nothing more than the subjectivity of anyone working at any level of healthcare?

This looks to me like it grants a license to kill.

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Sadly, what you say is true. I would guess that this law will ultimately be challenged in court. Until that time, any moral person should be outraged.
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“Healthcare at Risk”? This hate-based horror, including misogyny, goes well beyond the potential for risk.

So life and death decisions can now be based on nothing more than the subjectivity of anyone working at any level of healthcare?

This looks to me like it grants a “License to Kill.”

Hmmm, for those who jump on this law’s bandwagon, ya know…..there could be some working in healthcare who decide it’s time for old, white people in the hospital to go see Jesus….

Think! Please think!

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Sadly, what you say is true. I would guess that this law will ultimately be challenged in court. Until that time, any moral person should be outraged.

Hi mickey100, thanks for quoting me and agreeing. You grabbed the quote though before I edited to add the last part to elaborate to try to encourage further thinking.

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A bill was was recently signed into law by the governor of Florida which states healthcare professionals, including insurance companies, can't be forced to violate their religious and moral/conscience convictions in order to treat a patient. Florida healthcare can now be denied based on moral, ethical, or religious beliefs.Its not just doctors, its ambulance drivers, hospitals, nurses, insurance companies, etc. So a pharmacist could refuse to fill a prescription for birth control. A doctor or nurse could refuse to help deliver the baby of a single woman, due to her lifestyle choice. An ambulance driver could refuse to pick up a gay person with Aids. The law is extremely discriminatory against LGBTQ people. A gay person in a nursing home could find themselves at risk of losing health care services, for example. I find this absolutely horrifying that it is now legal in Florida for doctors and other health care professionals to deny health care to anyone simply because they feel like it. We should be increasing access to medical care, not giving these companies and providers the right to discriminate and opt out.
Sort of a reprise of "they're gonna throw grandmaw out into the street". "Over the top" scarcely begins to describe the multiple panic buttons being pushed in the OP.

And to what purpose? Merely as a way to justify (more or less) one's own beliefs as somehow better than the ones being castigated? We see all too much of this type of "reasoning", unfortunately.
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I’m not horrified. Sounds good to me.
yeah, just find another dr who doesn't have any issues with it
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“Healthcare at Risk”? This hate-based horror, including misogyny, goes well beyond the potential for risk.

So life and death decisions can now be based on nothing more than the subjectivity of anyone working at any level of healthcare?

This looks to me like it grants a “License to Kill.”

Hmmm, for those who jump on this law’s bandwagon, ya know…..there could be some working in healthcare who decide it’s time for old, white people in the hospital to go see Jesus….

Think! Please think!

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needed in the legal library STAT!

Slow down peeps!
CMS reimbursements for all kinds of healthcare activities is a large part of the operating revenue of most hospitals. Part of that reimbursement is the participation in all the CMS requirements and programs

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) | CMS

EMTALA is one of them. A hospital with an emergency room and receiving medicare reimbursements, would be in violation and would risk jeopardizing their reimbursements and payments if they voluntarily turned away people for these arbitrary reasons. Most hospitals would not want to do that.

So, the effects of the little dictator are not currently clear in regards to different healthcare scenarios. Many hospital systems also have policies in place for health care workers to not work in areas which they have religious objections, such as an abortion clinic. However, a healthcare worker would not abstain from rending care in the case of the mother bleeding out afterwards. . .

So these statutes have just been past, and there will be time needed to determine if the governor is over reaching in his state's rights legislation.

advice from coachk who works with CMS, reimbursements, the state of MA and the electronic medical records system which is the basis for reporting and compliance.

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I’m not horrified. Sounds good to me.
I am curious about your comment, and ask that you expand on it, please?
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“Healthcare at Risk”? This hate-based horror, including misogyny, goes well beyond the potential for risk.

So life and death decisions can now be based on nothing more than the subjectivity of anyone working at any level of healthcare?

This looks to me like it grants a “License to Kill.”

Hmmm, for those who jump on this law’s bandwagon, ya know…..there could be some working in healthcare who decide it’s time for old, white people in the hospital to go see Jesus….

Think! Please think!

Boomer
Have you read the actual bill?
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needed in the legal library STAT!

Slow down peeps!
CMS reimbursements for all kinds of healthcare activities is a large part of the operating revenue of most hospitals. Part of that reimbursement is the participation in all the CMS requirements and programs

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) | CMS

EMTALA is one of them. A hospital with an emergency room and receiving medicare reimbursements, would be in violation and would risk jeopardizing their reimbursements and payments if they voluntarily turned away people for these arbitrary reasons. Most hospitals would not want to do that.

So, the effects of the little dictator are not currently clear in regards to different healthcare scenarios. Many hospital systems also have policies in place for health care workers to not work in areas which they have religious objections, such as an abortion clinic. However, a healthcare worker would not abstain from rending care in the case of the mother bleeding out afterwards. . .

So these statutes have just been past, and there will be time needed to determine if the governor is over reaching in his state's rights legislation.

advice from coachk who works with CMS, reimbursements, the state of MA and the electronic medical records system which is the basis for reporting and compliance.

and written by sportsguy
Have you read the actual bill?
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