[dewilson58]

Thank God.

[tophcfa]

Imagine the horror, actually having to take on some personal responsibility and repay an obligation willfully taken on.

[Chi-Town]

I paid off my student loan; didn't think much about it. Back then it was pay or don't pay and suffer the consequences and the stigma of a deadbeat. It took me five years to pay it back, but it was an investment in my future that had a lifetime benefit.

[gatorbill1]

I guess the Supreme Court does get some things right, but not too many.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Thank God.

The former news channel known as CNN is clearly not pleased with the last 3 court rulings over the past 24 hours.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Imagine the horror, actually having to take on some personal responsibility and repay an obligation willfully taken on.

Yet, some people think they shouldn't need to pay it back, including three Supreme Court justices. What a country.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Sabella

We also had a win for freedom of speech. Praise the Lord..

However, if you watch certain networks and read certain websites, they all claim that it limits LGBTQ rights. However, it expands freedom of speech and religion for everyone.

As stated in the decision,

Consider what a contrary approach would mean. Under Colorado’s logic, the government may compel anyone who speaks for pay on a given topic to accept all commissions on that same topic—no matter the underlying message—if the topic somehow implicates a customer’s statutorily protected trait. The government could force a male website designer married to another man to design websites for an organization that advocates against same-sex marriage.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

However, if you watch certain networks and read certain websites, they all claim that it limits LGBTQ rights. However, it expands freedom of speech and religion for everyone.

As stated in the decision,

Consider what a contrary approach would mean. Under Colorado’s logic, the government may compel anyone who speaks for pay on a given topic to accept all commissions on that same topic—no matter the underlying message—if the topic somehow implicates a customer’s statutorily protected trait. The government could force a male website designer married to another man to design websites for an organization that advocates against same-sex marriage.

I think you mean it creates a freedom to discriminate. But in reality, we'll have to see who is allowed to post the signs that say, "____ not welcome here."

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I think you mean it creates a freedom to discriminate. But in reality, we'll have to see who is allowed to post the signs that say, "____ not welcome here."

If you get your facts from MSNBC, the plaintiff (Ms. Smith) is a bigot who hates all gays.

However, if you read the decision, it states that "Ms. Smith stated that she will gladly conduct business with those having protected characteristics so long as the custom graphics and websites she is asked to create do not violate her beliefs. Ms. Smith stresses that she does not create expressions that defy any of her beliefs for any customer, whether that involves encouraging violence, demeaning another person, or promoting views inconsistent with her religious commitments."

Would you require a bakery owned by a person who is pro-abortion to bake a cake for a pro-life person that says "abortion is wrong"?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

I paid off my student loan; didn't think much about it. Back then it was pay or don't pay and suffer the consequences and the stigma of a deadbeat. It took me five years to pay it back, but it was an investment in my future that had a lifetime benefit.

Ditto here.

Back in the day (way back in the day) colleges offered work-study programs to supplement loans. My particular job was basically KP: peeling potatoes for 12 hours on Saturday for a buck an hour, two hours dishroom duty Monday through Friday after the dinner meal, and doing various and sundry other tasks at the whim of whomever happened to be in charge of the kitchen that day. Almost always large matronly women in white aprons who were pretty nice people. A buck an hour doesn't sound like much (come to think of it, it wasn't much) but considering that at that time a burger, fries and a coke at McDonald's meant that you got change back from your dollar and 15 gallons of gas set you back less than $6, it wasn't that bad.

And yeah. I paid back my loans. I'd have been ashamed not to.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

...
Would you require a bakery owned by a person who is pro-abortion to bake a cake for a pro-life person that says "abortion is wrong"?

Yes. Businesses that are open to the public should not be allowed to discriminate.

[manaboutown]

"We can refuse service to anyone." should be the right of any business. The exception is "protected classes" and their numbers are multiplying like rabbits. Protected group - Wikipedia

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Imagine the horror, having to take on some personal responsibility and repay an obliactually gation willfully taken on.

Hopefully (some think) we will still be able to avoid that nasty "r" word (responsibility). It's not been 24 hours since the HALF TRILLION "idea" was struck down by SCOTUS, and the "interpreters" have begun. Our Secretary of "Education", Miguel Cardona has been on every major network already, telling students how the administration will not give up, and they should not either, that they will now try the higher education act to see if they can find a loophole that will allow debt forgiveness. One poor student, just 2 years out of grad school, had managed to save 12K, a small but steady amount he saved from part time work during his student days, and a significantly larger amount since he began his career in finance after completing his MBA. He was going to use this money for a down payment on a home, now, he said, it's all going to be depleted to pay back his loans, are you weeping for him yet ? Maybe the story of a young lady will bring the tears. She JUST graduated, also from grad school, also MBA. She had used part of her student loan to purchase her first brand new automobile (explained she has driven old, beat up cars all of her life, are you brought to tears now ?), and now she said, she "might" have to let this car, she called her "dream car", go back in order to pay her student loans ! Dang, wonder what made me think I had any obligation to work in the IGA super market, in the doughnut shop, and use any time I could have gotten some sleep, to work in the university library ? And, I deeply believe I am the fortunate one to have gone to school at a time when one had no choice but to pay one's debt, I am eternally grateful for having had that pressure, or as some call it, "responsibility".

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Yes. Businesses that are open to the public should not be allowed to discriminate.

Are you referring to a restaurant such as the Red Hen in Lexington VA. I'm sure you remember who they discriminated against.

[Tvflguy]

So many Bills etc are simply a measure to buy votes at all taxpayers expense. The most perfect example was the college loan debt. Simply awful IMO. Imagine those many thousands who just paid off their loans and this thing went through. And those who did not go to college, but their taxes are used for buying votes. How the politicians can justify this is terrible.

I for one applaud the SC for their ruling. But they will no doubt attempt to do workarounds.