[Rainger99]

Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime charges overturned by NY's highest court

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime charges overturned by NY's highest court

Any surprises here?!

Courts overturned the death penalty for the vermin Boston Marathon bomber as well.

Weinstein is a turd but to this day I feel less empathy for those same ‘victim’ actors/actresses that praised him while accepting their various industry awards yet were just as complicit in the cover up

[kansasr]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Harvey Weinstein's felony sex crime charges overturned by NY's highest court

Doesn't matter much, since he's in jail for his convictions in California.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by kansasr

Doesn't matter much, since he's in jail for his convictions in California.

It does matter. He was convicted because he was guilty. The state will now have to use resources to retry him. But additionally it hamstrings other prosecutions of this kind of assault. Judge Madeline Singas put it well in her disent: "In a scathing dissent, Judge Madeline Singas wrote that the majority was “whitewashing the facts to conform to a he-said/she-said narrative,” and that the appeals court was continuing a “disturbing trend of overturning juries’ guilty verdicts in cases involving sexual violence.”

“The majority’s determination perpetuates outdated notions of sexual violence and allows predators to escape accountability,” Singas wrote.

“This conclusion deprives juries of the context necessary to do their work, forecloses the prosecution from using any essential tool to prove intent, ignores the nuances of how sexual violence is perpetrated and perceived, and demonstrates the majority’s utter lack of understanding of the dynamics of sexual assault.”

“Because New York’s women deserve better, I dissent,” she concluded."

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

It does matter. He was convicted because he was guilty. The state will now have to use resources to retry him. But additionally it hamstrings other prosecutions of this kind of assault. Judge Madeline Singas put it well in her disent: "In a scathing dissent, Judge Madeline Singas wrote that the majority was “whitewashing the facts to conform to a he-said/she-said narrative,” and that the appeals court was continuing a “disturbing trend of overturning juries’ guilty verdicts in cases involving sexual violence.”

“The majority’s determination perpetuates outdated notions of sexual violence and allows predators to escape accountability,” Singas wrote.

“This conclusion deprives juries of the context necessary to do their work, forecloses the prosecution from using any essential tool to prove intent, ignores the nuances of how sexual violence is perpetrated and perceived, and demonstrates the majority’s utter lack of understanding of the dynamics of sexual assault.”

“Because New York’s women deserve better, I dissent,” she concluded."

Singas should be thrown off the bench, for writing such a ludicrous dissent. The issue at hand had nothing to do with politics, nor some folks notion that women aren't capable of standing up for themselves ... or the opposite, using their physical or sexually desirability to obtain an "edge".

The appeal was procedural in nature (as most are) and the original trial judge fell victim to the exact same political bias that effects Singas.

This is the 2nd hit the MeToo movement has taken recently and there are more to come. Perpetuating the myth that women are vulnerable and helpless, is simply another misguided notion the woke would like to perpetuate.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Singas should be thrown off the bench, for writing such a ludicrous dissent. The issue at hand had nothing to do with politics, nor some folks notion that women aren't capable of standing up for themselves ... or the opposite, using their physical or sexually desirability to obtain an "edge".

The appeal was procedural in nature (as most are) and the original trial judge fell victim to the exact same political bias that effects Singas.

This is the 2nd hit the MeToo movement has taken recently and there are more to come. Perpetuating the myth that women are vulnerable and helpless, is simply another misguided notion the woke would like to perpetuate.

Sorry, but women are weaker than men.

Most of them are A Okay because most men are decent. For which most women used to be grateful. Many still are, & when we finally get through this weird phase they will be again.

As to the 2 hits, both are misguided. They are procedural, but both men: Cosby & Weinstein are not decent men.

Now, if you want to talk about (especially in Weinstein's case) how many women went along to further their careers, that is a different topic/thread (& one I'm not sure I want to discuss, I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm rather sure it did).

[JRcorvette]

Just follow the MONEY… you know who he donated to right?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Sorry, but women are weaker than men.

Physically perhaps.

& if Cosby and Weinstein used physical violence, that's a huge leap from "coercing".

In way too many of these cases, the fact that accused was a philander or womanizer is introduced into evidence, unrelated to the specific events they're on trial for. Unfair.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Sorry, but women are weaker than men.

Most of them are A Okay because most men are decent. For which most women used to be grateful. Many still are, & when we finally get through this weird phase they will be again.

As to the 2 hits, both are misguided. They are procedural, but both men: Cosby & Weinstein are not decent men.

Now, if you want to talk about (especially in Weinstein's case) how many women went along to further their careers, that is a different topic/thread (& one I'm not sure I want to discuss, I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm rather sure it did).

get through this weird phase?

IMO the weird phase going to get worst, way worst.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

It does matter. He was convicted because he was guilty. The state will now have to use resources to retry him. But additionally it hamstrings other prosecutions of this kind of assault. Judge Madeline Singas put it well in her disent: "In a scathing dissent, Judge Madeline Singas wrote that the majority was “whitewashing the facts to conform to a he-said/she-said narrative,” and that the appeals court was continuing a “disturbing trend of overturning juries’ guilty verdicts in cases involving sexual violence.”

“The majority’s determination perpetuates outdated notions of sexual violence and allows predators to escape accountability,” Singas wrote.

“This conclusion deprives juries of the context necessary to do their work, forecloses the prosecution from using any essential tool to prove intent, ignores the nuances of how sexual violence is perpetrated and perceived, and demonstrates the majority’s utter lack of understanding of the dynamics of sexual assault.”

“Because New York’s women deserve better, I dissent,” she concluded."

Facts should matter along with fairness and not procedural nitpicking.

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Facts should matter along with fairness and not procedural nitpicking.

As a previous response to this post alluded, appeals are not most often a matter of procedure, but ALWAYS. At least that’s what I learned in law school. The facts of a case are NEVER retried on appeal. What may be argued on appeal is whether, as a matter of law, certain facts were allowed into evidence erroneously or in error. A procedural error.

[Desiderata]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Physically perhaps.

& if Cosby and Weinstein used physical violence, that's a huge leap from "coercing".

In way too many of these cases, the fact that accused was a philander or womanizer is introduced into evidence, unrelated to the specific events they're on trial for. Unfair.

Not to be argumentative, I am just curious what you believe to be the correct punishment for Cosby & Weinstein, or are you saying there should be no punishment at all?

[RICH1]

NO means Yes again !

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

It does matter. He was convicted because he was guilty. The state will now have to use resources to retry him. But additionally it hamstrings other prosecutions of this kind of assault. Judge Madeline Singas put it well in her disent: "In a scathing dissent, Judge Madeline Singas wrote that the majority was “whitewashing the facts to conform to a he-said/she-said narrative,” and that the appeals court was continuing a “disturbing trend of overturning juries’ guilty verdicts in cases involving sexual violence.”

“The majority’s determination perpetuates outdated notions of sexual violence and allows predators to escape accountability,” Singas wrote.

“This conclusion deprives juries of the context necessary to do their work, forecloses the prosecution from using any essential tool to prove intent, ignores the nuances of how sexual violence is perpetrated and perceived, and demonstrates the majority’s utter lack of understanding of the dynamics of sexual assault.”

“Because New York’s women deserve better, I dissent,” she concluded."

Ok. Retyping the article means nothing. It’s in Ca and way more people are complicit.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Desiderata

Not to be argumentative, I am just curious what you believe to be the correct punishment for Cosby & Weinstein, or are you saying there should be no punishment at all?

Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.

I didn't mention guilt or innocence, I said they're both entitled to a fair trial and hearsay evidence of their proclivities, unrelated to the crimes they were on trial for, are irrelevant.

Women and men, have used they're "positions" and "attributes" to get what they want, forever. It's not illegal, until politics, societal prejudices or organized pressure groups are introduced into the equation.