[jayerose]

We may have made a mistake.

We attached a Poly Drainage Tube from the downspout under the rocks and ended it at the green popup.

The tube has holes in it so to test it; we put water down the gutters from a water hose and the water never drained from the green popup.

BUT the rock section was soft as all the water came out of the tube before reaching the popup.

So, we are looking at replacing the tube to one with no holes but how far should we bring the other end?

thank you.

[retiredguy123]

Mine just drains aboveground to the concrete slab inside the gate using a short connection piece from the downspout. That is the way the builder installed it. I have two of these aboveground pieces and downspouts inside the gate. No issues. Why do you need to use an underground tube from inside the gate to outside the gate? I would rather have the water draining inside the gate. I would remove the green popup and cover the area with rocks.

Note that if you try to drain the water into the confined rock area near your front porch, I think you will have continual maintenance issues. There will be a lot of water flooding that area.

[villagetinker]

Without more information, like the location of the downspout in relation to your driveway, my first attempt would be to relocate the last few feet of the downspout so it would drain directly on the driveway. Your current situation may cause the sand under the driveway to washout and cause major repair problems. You may need to get a gutter contractor to review the entire installation and possibly replace the gutter with a different slope so the downspout could be relocated.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

Without more information, like the location of the downspout in relation to your driveway, my first attempt would be to relocate the last few feet of the downspout so it would drain directly on the driveway. Your current situation may cause the sand under the driveway to washout and cause major repair problems. You may need to get a gutter contractor to review the entire installation and possibly replace the gutter with a different slope so the downspout could be relocated.

This is a typical courtyard villa layout. Part of the driveway can be seen at the lower right corner of the second photo. The OP has relocated the water runoff from the backyard to the front porch and driveway areas. To me, this creates more issues than it solves.

[RICH1]

if you changed the location of the drain from the backyard that has grass, and proper slope runoff. you should change it back .

[TMHwestford]

Originally Posted by jayerose

We may have made a mistake.

We attached a Poly Drainage Tube from the downspout under the rocks and ended it at the green popup.

The tube has holes in it so to test it; we put water down the gutters from a water hose and the water never drained from the green popup.

BUT the rock section was soft as all the water came out of the tube before reaching the popup.

So, we are looking at replacing the tube to one with no holes but how far should we bring the other end?

thank you.

I like the idea of the pop up, it's a nice neat looking installation. If you don't mind the work move it forward to the corner of the two walks when you replace the underground with solid pipe and see if that works. It may wash out the stone in the bed and you could still end up with a soggy soft spot at the pop up. If the pop up doesn't work I assume you have gutter above the column shown in the second picture, you could cut a new downspout in at the column and extend it out to the concrete as others have suggested and cap the existing downspout inside the gutter and just leave it so you don't have a messy hole showing at the old downspout location. You may need to change the pitch from the old downspout to the new. Good luck.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by TMHwestford

I like the idea of the pop up, it's a nice neat looking installation. If you don't mind the work move it forward to the corner of the two walks when you replace the underground with solid pipe and see if that works. It may wash out the stone in the bed and you could still end up with a soggy soft spot at the pop up. If the pop up doesn't work I assume you have gutter above the column shown in the second picture, you could cut a new downspout in at the column and extend it out to the concrete as others have suggested and cap the existing downspout inside the gutter and just leave it so you don't have a messy hole showing at the old downspout location. You may need to change the pitch from the old downspout to the new. Good luck.

I would point out that the builder designs drainage to avoid dumping rainwater near the front door and porch, or draining water across the driveway. That is why the downspouts are located in the backyard and on the opposite side of the garage from the front porch. The current location of the green popup will cause a lot of water to be redirected from the roof to the front porch area and inside a enclosed concrete area, with no way for the water to drain off. Personally, I would not want to have large amounts of water draining from the popup to the front porch area. This will create a swimming pool effect near the front porch. And, adding another downspout at the column will be unsightly and will make the drainage issue worse. My opinion.

[Bwanajim]

My gutters in the back are right next to the back patio. I ran a 6 foot extension tube to get it away from the house, but it still floods near the house. Pop-up is a great idea. Anybody have some They can recommend to do that? Thanks

[G.R.I.T.S.]

I agree with VT. Let the water drain as intended. After all, it won’t freeze.😃

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by jayerose

We may have made a mistake.

We attached a Poly Drainage Tube from the downspout under the rocks and ended it at the green popup.

The tube has holes in it so to test it; we put water down the gutters from a water hose and the water never drained from the green popup.

BUT the rock section was soft as all the water came out of the tube before reaching the popup.

So, we are looking at replacing the tube to one with no holes but how far should we bring the other end?

thank you.

LOL (sorry) The tube you should be running is typically black, not preferated, and is 10FT long. Keep it roughly 6 inches under ground and run it straight out aka 90 degree angle from the house. where ever possible.

If the tube ever gets clogged (which eventually it will) you should have a short piece of gutter (12-14 inches) prior that is inserted into the tube, you unscrew that and pull it up and out of the way. Take a leaf blower (100 mph ability) and stick it in the tube and pull the trigger it should blow all the debris out of the tube.

[Altavia]

As Midwiz pointed out - Popups severely restrict the flow, and can stick partly open, making it more likely the gutters will overflow in a heavy rain.

[Topspinmo]

IMO if you want that to work popup has to at all way to edge of driveway and driveway has to be slopped enough for water to run down drive to street. I have French drains out front and the underground tubes do not have holes in them. I still have the drain at corner of front door which floods the area to side of front door when heavy rain. That’s another problem not being slopped for water to run down to street. Really nothing I can do about that drain due to not slopped.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

IMO if you want that to work popup has to at all way to edge of driveway and driveway has to be slopped enough for water to run down drive to street. I have French drains out front and the underground tubes do not have holes in them. I still have the drain at corner of front door which floods the area to side of front door when heavy rain. That’s another problem not being slopped for water to run down to street. Really nothing I can do about that drain due to not slopped.

The builder terminated the downspout in the backyard for a reason. The water draining off of the roof stays in the backyard. Rerouting the water to the front yard is a bad idea. Having the water run across the driveway or to accumulate near the front door every time it rains is something the builder was trying to avoid.

[TMHwestford]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The builder terminated the downspout in the backyard for a reason. The water draining off of the roof stays in the backyard. Rerouting the water to the front yard is a bad idea. Having the water run across the driveway or pool near the front door every time it rains is something the builder was trying to avoid.

I think the developer designed the drain in back yard of a CYV to handle the run off from the roof but I don't necessarily agree it's the best solution for this water. The developer doesn't usually put gutters anywhere but over the entry and the garage door if the roofs slope that way, gutters on the rest of the house are after market or at least this is the case in our neighborhood. Maybe if the developer put gutters around the entire roof line they would have chosen to get some of this water to the street drains. In my opinion all the roof run off just puts too much water in the back yard and leaves many areas soggy and wet for long periods and I'd guess this is what the OP is trying to fix.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by TMHwestford

I think the developer designed the drain in back yard of a CYV to handle the run off from the roof but I don't necessarily agree it's the best solution for this water. The developer doesn't usually put gutters anywhere but over the entry and the garage door if the roofs slope that way, gutters on the rest of the house are after market or at least this is the case in our neighborhood. Maybe if the developer put gutters around the entire roof line they would have chosen to get some of this water to the street drains. In my opinion all the roof run off just puts too much water in the back yard and leaves many areas soggy and wet for long periods and I'd guess this is what the OP is trying to fix.

The builder has installed gutters around the entire house on hundreds (or thousands) of courtyard villas, but I don't know how they build them now. In most of these courtyard villas, they install an area drain in the backyard with an underground pipe to carry the water to the street. This seems to work well with most of these houses. The builder never deliberately terminates downspouts near the front porch or where the water will run across the driveway in front of the garage doors. That is why they sometimes install gutters above the front porch and garage, even if they don't install gutters around the entire house.