I was really impressed by this column in the N.Y. Post and wanted to share it with my fellow T.O.T.V.ers. The author make some interesting points and observations with a historical perspective that struck a chord with me.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...MD84tRb7qN7n6N

I tried the link to the article, but it is gone. However, I would like to comment on the title of your thread "Whole World Pays If U.S. Doesn't Lead".
Tsunami in Indonesia, Earthquake in Haiti, Famine in Africa...what country consistently leads the way by coming to the rescue. Not just the US government, but US private citizens take time from their work and families and communities to use their own time and money to help rescue and repair these foreign parts of the world. Floods in New Orleans, tornadoes in the Heartland of the US...who has come to our rescue consistently both officially and privately? and yet, we are portrayed as the evil capitalist empire attempting to push ourselves on poor unsuspecting countries. Draw your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

I tried the link to the article, but it is gone. However, I would like to comment on the title of your thread "Whole World Pays If U.S. Doesn't Lead".
Tsunami in Indonesia, Earthquake in Haiti, Famine in Africa...what country consistently leads the way by coming to the rescue. Not just the US government, but US private citizens take time from their work and families and communities to use their own time and money to help rescue and repair these foreign parts of the world. Floods in New Orleans, tornadoes in the Heartland of the US...who has come to our rescue consistently both officially and privately? and yet, we are portrayed as the evil capitalist empire attempting to push ourselves on poor unsuspecting countries. Draw your own conclusions.

Link works ok for me.

Richie,

A columnist in the New York Post is hardly worth the electrons through the air to read. It was a complete piece of tripe. I especially laughed at the term "corrupt United Nations".

A few of the "thugs" mentioned in the piece of tripe actually had US backing for quite a while before the US decided to call them bad guys. I am talking about Saddam, Noriega and the Taliban. The Taliban was armed, paid, and trained by the US during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Saddam was tied to the US through aid when Iraq was needed as a buffer to Russia for 20 years. Noriega received substantive US Army training in Panama.

Originally Posted by Tbugs

Richie,

A columnist in the New York Post is hardly worth the electrons through the air to read. It was a complete piece of tripe. I especially laughed at the term "corrupt United Nations".

A few of the "thugs" mentioned in the piece of tripe actually had US backing for quite a while before the US decided to call them bad guys. I am talking about Saddam, Noriega and the Taliban. The Taliban was armed, paid, and trained by the US during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Saddam was tied to the US through aid when Iraq was needed as a buffer to Russia for 20 years. Noriega received substantive US Army training in Panama.

Sorry Bugs, you can put your faith in the (yes) corrupt U.N. I'm solidly behind the U.S. out of the U.N.; the U.N. out of N.Y. crowd. Your condemnation of the entire N.Y. Post is absurd. And lastly, your historical perspective is biased and lacking.

I'm kinda with Richie.. The UN *is* corrupt, massively so. Any organization that would put a Gaddafi stooge on a Human Rights Commission is just *ridiculous* in every sense of the word.

There are a LOT of examples like that because of the rules that say "everyone gets to play equally" - no matter how unqualified or how despotic their government is. It's perhaps the worst example of multiculturalism on the planet.

I mean, I *favor* multiculturalism to a degree - but there IS a line past which you say "No, your culture of terror and totalitarianism has no place here".

I am glad that you "favor" multiculturalism to a degree. Just what degree do you "favor" it to? One Nation, One Language, One Flag is the only way to keep the United States as a whole country. I speak German, or did fairly well while I lived in Germany, 13 years there you do pick up quite a bit of the local lingo, especially since I worked with the German police. Living on the border (New Meixco/Mexico, at least for a few more days) I can understand enough Spanish to get by and speak enough to get in lots of trouble. LOL

The UN needs to get out of the nation, especially the one nation building business. We don't need them. And as for any other country coming to offer help to the US in time of need forget it. I, for one, am tired for being the patsy for every country that talks bad about us.

Any country need a constitution, we have the best in the world. they don't need to write a new one, the wheel has already been invented.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

I am glad that you "favor" multiculturalism to a degree. Just what degree do you "favor" it to? One Nation, One Language, One Flag is the only way to keep the United States as a whole country. I speak German, or did fairly well while I lived in Germany, 13 years there you do pick up quite a bit of the local lingo, especially since I worked with the German police. Living on the border (New Meixco/Mexico, at least for a few more days) I can understand enough Spanish to get by and speak enough to get in lots of trouble. LOL

The UN needs to get out of the nation, especially the one nation building business. We don't need them. And as for any other country coming to offer help to the US in time of need forget it. I, for one, am tired for being the patsy for every country that talks bad about us.

Any country need a constitution, we have the best in the world. they don't need to write a new one, the wheel has already been invented.

Like most people, I'm guessing, DJ believes its OK to celebrate the customs of your family and historical culture, but at the same time to embrace and defend the country that enables you to live a life that allows you the freedom to do so.

i was born in this country as was my father before me, but my grandparents emigrated from Italy. I have always been referred to as Italian, even though I've never been there. My family and I carry on many of the traditions dear to my grandparents and now by us.

When I leave this country, that's all behind me and I am American anywhere else in this world, and I'd have it no other way.

Well said, Figmo Bohica. We pay the majority of the UN's frieght. They hate us and we keep turning the other cheek. I'm tired of the US being a patsy for this corrupt organization.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Like most people, I'm guessing, DJ believes its OK to celebrate the customs of your family and historical culture, but at the same time to embrace and defend the country that enables you to live a life that allows you the freedom to do so.

For someone that I disagree with as often as I do, your 'guess' is absolutely PERFECT. It's the very reason I enjoy travelling to foreign countries AND THEN COMING HOME.

I have lived in many different foreign countries. Even got to visit RVN a couple times which was not really on my visitors list of places that I would like to go. There is no place like the United States. We have, or did, at one time, have more freedoms than any other country in the world. I would like to keep it that way. I see that they (our self servicing, elected officials) passed the patriot Act again. We need to vote out of office each and everyone of them that voted for this illegal law, which is against the Constitution.

I have a question for all of you.

Do you think that there is any private ownership of property in the United States?

Think before you answer and the right answer will come to you. This is a tax that needs to be vote out.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

I have lived in many different foreign countries. Even got to visit RVN a couple times which was not really on my visitors list of places that I would like to go. There is no place like the United States. We have, or did, at one time, have more freedoms than any other country in the world. I would like to keep it that way. I see that they (our self servicing, elected officials) passed the patriot Act again. We need to vote out of office each and everyone of them that voted for this illegal law, which is against the Constitution.

I have a question for all of you.

Do you think that there is any private ownership of property in the United States?

Think before you answer and the right answer will come to you. This is a tax that needs to be vote out.

Quick, to the bunker.

Hid in the bunker, but the state owns your property. Just don't pay your property tax and see who really owns what you think you own. You are just renting it from the state.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

IDo you think that there is any private ownership of property in the United States?

Think before you answer and the right answer will come to you. This is a tax that needs to be vote out.

No kidding. Then you have situations like I read a few weeks ago where a house burns to the ground while the fire fighters watch to make sure adjoining houses didn't burn because the guy who owned the burning house elected not to pay the optional part of his property taxes that pay for fire protection from the neighboring jurisdiction (the owner's town/county was too small/poor to have it's own so they had a deal set up with their neighbor).

No property tax? Well, there may be some funding differences between New Hampshire and where you live.. But here? Lose the property tax and....

You have no money to pave the roads. No money to plow them in the winter. No money to pay for the electricity for streetlights or traffic lights.

Trash collection? Forget it.

Schools? None. Can't afford it? You go illiterate. That should help pay for grandma's social security VERY well.

Police? Better hire a private guard.

Fire department? Guess again.

Someone wants to start a pig farm next to you (killing your property values)? Tough luck - enjoy the smell.

Without SOME kind of social contract, you have anarchy - like in Somalia.