Well, I have done a lot of research today on second place Rick and must say I am not happy with what I see. We just can't go another 4 years with someone so radical. We are suffering thru 4 years with a hard left radical, so to go 4 years to the hard right will cause just as many problems. We must vote for someone that has the best interest of all Americans in mind and not one half or the other half.

GO ROMNEY......

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Well, I have done a lot of research today on second place Rick and must say I am not happy with what I see. We just can't go another 4 years with someone so radical. We are suffering thru 4 years with a hard left radical, so to go 4 years to the hard right will cause just as many problems. We must vote for someone that has the best interest of all Americans in mind and not one half or the other half.

GO ROMNEY......

Really? radical? Is that what you call it? Traditional American values is now radical? Maybe you should keep reading.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Really? radical? Is that what you call it? Traditional American values is now radical? Maybe you should keep reading.

Ive read enough. His stance on Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc etc. is frighting. Those issue will not allow him to be elected in this country, but I would hate to see him mess up Romney from getting the nomination. Now keep in mind, he can feel the way he wants, but to use the office of the President to push forward backward thinking is not good for this country. What ever happened to majority rules even if you do not agree with it. I personally do not agree with pro-choice nor with gay marriage, but the majority of this country does and I do believe in the majority rule.

I personally do not agree with pro-choice nor with gay marriage, but the majority of this country does and I do believe in the majority rule.

I can't believe I am saying this but I agree! I think these two things mess up politics more often than anything.

I don't think that the government should be deciding these two things.
If gays want to marry and somehow that is going to cost me money then I may have a problem with it. That is when, if it is healthcare we are talking about, gays have a health problem that causes my healthcare to go up then treat it like smoking." Do the crime do the time." Bad habits = higher premiums for them. If it is benefits they get because of the license so be it.
If they don't get them does not mean I get more. If they earned it, let them have it. You want to be gay, be gay, just don't put it in my face and make it some type of special thing.
Their marraige licence does not diminish mine so I don't care.

Abortion, as I have stated many time on here, is none of my business. That is between them are their god not them and the government.
That being said I don't think that government should be paying for it.

You want an abortion, pay for it, if you can't be more careful, rape well there are plenty of organizations to help you there without the government.

I think these two things are big losers for the GOP!

EB

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Ive read enough. His stance on Gay Marriage, Abortion, etc etc. is frighting. Those issue will not allow him to be elected in this country, but I would hate to see him mess up Romney from getting the nomination. Now keep in mind, he can feel the way he wants, but to use the office of the President to push forward backward thinking is not good for this country. What ever happened to majority rules even if you do not agree with it. I personally do not agree with pro-choice nor with gay marriage, but the majority of this country does and I do believe in the majority rule.

By any chance have you read up on Obama's view on Gay marriage and his vocal opinion on it during his valiant run with "Hope & Change".

Just asking, as I still don't believe for a second that you are a conservative.

Originally Posted by BlueHeronFan

By any chance have you read up on Obama's view on Gay marriage and his vocal opinion on it during his valiant run with "Hope & Change".

Just asking, as I still don't believe for a second that you are a conservative.

He's not a conservative, he's an American. The ultra right and ultra left would do well to recognize that most of us live in the middle and don't hold rigid conservative or liberal views. And please save the "wishy washy" insults, it is called being realistic and thinking for oneself, rather than staying in line with the ideologues.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

He's not a conservative, he's an American. The ultra right and ultra left would do well to recognize that most of us live in the middle and don't hold rigid conservative or liberal views. And please save the "wishy washy" insults, it is called being realistic and thinking for oneself, rather than staying in line with the ideologues.

Insults? Insults are in the eye of the beholder. People sometimes don't think what they say will be perceived as insulting, but their words can be insulting none the less. I am not immune from either side of this thought.

Your words can be taken as insulting also. You are saying above that the person you're conversing with, and most likely myself also, are not thinking for ourselves but only parroting ideologues, while you with your self proclaimed intelligence are a profound thinker.

Being "in the middle" is sort of boring at a minimum, in my opinion. You either have a conviction, or you don't.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Being "in the middle" is sort of boring at a minimum, in my opinion. You either have a conviction, or you don't.

Just what is it about not being ultra right or ultra left equates to not having conviction? Would one be more admirable in terms of conviction by being a socialist?

So when I was saying that I would support Ron Paul as an independent because of issues I had with another possible GOP candidate, I got a downpour of replies telling me that we have to all stick together and vote for whoever is on the GOP ticket...WHOEVER! I was told that it was the only way to get Obama out!...Aren't we playing that way anymore, now that some of you have issues with Santorum?

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

So when I was saying that I would support Ron Paul as an independent because of issues I had with another possible GOP candidate, I got a downpour of replies telling me that we have to all stick together and vote for whoever is on the GOP ticket...WHOEVER! I was told that it was the only way to get Obama out!...Aren't we playing that way anymore, now that some of you have issues with Santorum?

You should vote your conscience and your ideals - period.

If Rick Santorum is the GOP nominee, I think I just might GLADLY get to do both! Thanks!...PLUS rid our nation's capital of a man who has no love of this country.

But on a realistic view, American voters want someone they can recognize. Don Trump has name recoginition as an icon of money and as a TV personality. There are probably enough American voters who would vote for a movie star like Brad Pitt or Matt Damon for president to make a reasonable showing.

The whole process is now run with money, money, and money. The television ads are 30 second bites that tell nothing of the candidate. Basically, it is just looking for the best star power - as Richie pointed out earlier when he mentioned the Kennedy-Nixon Debate when Nixon had a stubbly 5 o'clock shadow and sweat on his upper lip. That lost to the well coifed hair and smiling teeth of JFK.

Originally Posted by buggyone

But on a realistic view, American voters want someone they can recognize.......


.... Basically, it is just looking for the best star power - as Richie pointed out earlier when he mentioned the Kennedy-Nixon Debate when Nixon had a stubbly 5 o'clock shadow and sweat on his upper lip. That lost to the well coifed hair and smiling teeth of JFK.

It's ALL about looks and personality 1st, and knowledge/skill 2nd.

I wish that voters overall were not so shallow, valuing only the superficial things, but they are shallow and superficial. This is why I think Santorum does not stand a snowball's chance of defeating Obama. Obama smiles and promises free stuff, and people eat it up.

George Carlin did a standup routine on that once, how Americans like their B.S. with frosting on it. B.S. is what we get.

Originally Posted by buggyone

But on a realistic view, American voters want someone they can recognize. Don Trump has name recoginition as an icon of money and as a TV personality. There are probably enough American voters who would vote for a movie star like Brad Pitt or Matt Damon for president to make a reasonable showing.

The whole process is now run with money, money, and money. The television ads are 30 second bites that tell nothing of the candidate. Basically, it is just looking for the best star power - as Richie pointed out earlier when he mentioned the Kennedy-Nixon Debate when Nixon had a stubbly 5 o'clock shadow and sweat on his upper lip. That lost to the well coifed hair and smiling teeth of JFK.

It's true. It's a well known fact that most who listened to the Kennedy/Nixon debates on radio thought Nixon won the debate. Those who watched on TV had an opposite reaction.

But we also have a much more diverse media today and people are generally more savvy. The last election was an emotional affair and lots of people voted their dreams.

Well, the dream has turned into a nightmare and there's no way to clean that up. Obama is going to go totally negative in this campaign because it's the only option open to him. We'll see how that plays in Peoria.

I am not influenced by any candidates campaign rhetoric as it is designed for you to hear what you like/or not to get your vote.

I prefer to look at their past, their resume', their qualifications, their promises kept record (accomplishments).

Isn't that how most of us have been chosen for positions we have had during our lives.

Have you looked at what these people have been doing for the past 10 years?
You will not get what you need to know watching the debates or what they say on television. Do some research and find out what they did.

Far too many voted for the words heard and promises made in 2008...when they should have been looking at qualifications, capability and past performance.

Vote for the potential the man has, who knows his subject VS the actor like scripted performers.

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