We were discussing at "the watering hole" the recent South Carolina debate when Newt "took on" the moderator who asked the first question concerning the former wife's comments about Newt wanting an "open marriage" while she had MS.

Newt, as you remember, acted so indignant that this topic would even come up when there are so many national topics to be discussed.

The talk at the "watering hole" was that Newt was such a fast thinker to come up with his answer and to quickly put that moderator in his place.

Reality is different. All the participants have gone through rehersals with their staff so many times that it is all memorized. They know all the possible questions and the staff has prepped the candidate in how to answer, how to act, and exactly what to say. Newt knew the question would arise and knew just how to act so puffed up and indignant.

Newt is a Washington insider who knows the ins and outs of political acting. Don't forget he was Speaker of the House - until his own party threw him out.

Originally Posted by buggyone

We were discussing at "the watering hole" the recent South Carolina debate when Newt "took on" the moderator who asked the first question concerning the former wife's comments about Newt wanting an "open marriage" while she had MS.

Newt, as you remember, acted so indignant that this topic would even come up when there are so many national topics to be discussed.

The talk at the "watering hole" was that Newt was such a fast thinker to come up with his answer and to quickly put that moderator in his place.

Reality is different. All the participants have gone through rehersals with their staff so many times that it is all memorized. They know all the possible questions and the staff has prepped the candidate in how to answer, how to act, and exactly what to say. Newt knew the question would arise and knew just how to act so puffed up and indignant.

Newt is a Washington insider who knows the ins and outs of political acting. Don't forget he was Speaker of the House - until his own party threw him out.

Exactly; I made that point last week. Wife #2 had been on the news all that day, and he knew it would be brought up and was prepared with all the scripted righteous indignation he could muster. I would submit he actually was happy it came up first so he could shift the focus from his own issues to the media. The far right ate that up as they have been conditioned for years to not listen to the "left wing media", so that they can claim their missteps are part of a plot to bring them down. It's actually a brilliant strategy, though it is just a strategy.

Originally Posted by buggyone

We were discussing at "the watering hole" the recent South Carolina debate when Newt "took on" the moderator who asked the first question concerning the former wife's comments about Newt wanting an "open marriage" while she had MS.

Newt, as you remember, acted so indignant that this topic would even come up when there are so many national topics to be discussed.

The talk at the "watering hole" was that Newt was such a fast thinker to come up with his answer and to quickly put that moderator in his place.

Reality is different. All the participants have gone through rehersals with their staff so many times that it is all memorized. They know all the possible questions and the staff has prepped the candidate in how to answer, how to act, and exactly what to say. Newt knew the question would arise and knew just how to act so puffed up and indignant.

Newt is a Washington insider who knows the ins and outs of political acting. Don't forget he was Speaker of the House - until his own party threw him out.

And your point is...............................????

Eweissenbach got the point just perfectly. Very easy to understand.

Originally Posted by buggyone

We were discussing at "the watering hole" the recent South Carolina debate when Newt "took on" the moderator who asked the first question concerning the former wife's comments about Newt wanting an "open marriage" while she had MS.

Newt, as you remember, acted so indignant that this topic would even come up when there are so many national topics to be discussed.

The talk at the "watering hole" was that Newt was such a fast thinker to come up with his answer and to quickly put that moderator in his place.

Reality is different. All the participants have gone through rehersals with their staff so many times that it is all memorized. They know all the possible questions and the staff has prepped the candidate in how to answer, how to act, and exactly what to say. Newt knew the question would arise and knew just how to act so puffed up and indignant.

Newt is a Washington insider who knows the ins and outs of political acting. Don't forget he was Speaker of the House - until his own party threw him out.

buggyone: You mean like "off the cuff" Obama. The liberal media's attempt to enrage voters over Newt's second wife's commented did not resonate because a good portion of voters have been married more than once and perhaps several times and understand the animosity a divorce brings with it. They understand the term "scorned woman" and voters have as low an opinion of the news medias as they do congress.

Having said that as much as I hate to admit it (I've been with the same woman since 13) fidelity in one's personal appear not to be a factor contributing to leadership WitnessCharles lindbergh, George Patton Bill clinton JFK and Dwight Eisenhower. Converseley we have Omar Bradley, and Jimmy (lust in my heart) Carter. did the latter two lead anymore effectively owing to their fidelity???

I voted early Saturday morning holding my nose because neither party offers a candidate of quality. As a former HRD guy you understand picking the best from a bad lot. Where have all the good men gone?

So for me this race is guessing who is more likely to take bold initiatives to reset America. I studied the field and gave it my best guess Saturday.

What I do recognize is that Democrats and Republicans must be united in an effort to reset the three branches of government to ensure they abide by the US Constitution . There was a time when that was so but not the parties are too polarized for the country's own good.

Originally Posted by rubicon

buggyone: You mean like "off the cuff" Obama. The liberal media's attempt to enrage voters over Newt's second wife's commented did not resonate because a good portion of voters have been married more than once and perhaps several times and understand the animosity a divorce brings with it. They understand the term "scorned woman" and voters have as low an opinion of the news medias as they do congress.

Having said that as much as I hate to admit it (I've been with the same woman since 13) fidelity in one's personal appear not to be a factor contributing to leadership WitnessCharles lindbergh, George Patton Bill clinton JFK and Dwight Eisenhower. Converseley we have Omar Bradley, and Jimmy (lust in my heart) Carter. did the latter two lead anymore effectively owing to their fidelity???

I voted early Saturday morning holding my nose because neither party offers a candidate of quality. As a former HRD guy you understand picking the best from a bad lot. Where have all the good men gone?

So for me this race is guessing who is more likely to take bold initiatives to reset America. I studied the field and gave it my best guess Saturday.

What I do recognize is that Democrats and Republicans must be united in an effort to reset the three branches of government to ensure they abide by the US Constitution . There was a time when that was so but not the parties are too polarized for the country's own good.

Edited remarks in the second paragraph second line that is suppose to say I'm about as ood with a keyboard as i am with a golf club

why would anybody even consider him as a candidate? His party threw him out of one of the most powerful political jobs in the 535. He departed with disgrace.
He is a known entity...a pure bred political animal that knows exactly why things work the way they do in Washington. And as an insider his comfort zone can only be the business as usual mode of politics.

Has he seen the light? The error of his ways? I would seriously doubt that.
Should he be given a chance to show us?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

There is only one realistic choice in the current line up.

btk

Well, Rubicon, just a couple of comments.

I was not comparing Newt to anyone in his puffery. I stated that all the candidates were prepped through mock debates with their staff so they all had rehearsed answers and actions. It was not quick thinking and off-the-cuff remarks by Newt but very well rehearsed answers and action.

As far as those people you mentioned that had affairs, how many had affairs when their first wife was recovering from uterine cancer surgery and followed that up with another affair when wife #2 had MS and could not perform to his satisfaction?

Glad you have been with your wife since age 13 - although that sounds very young to get married. Well, Jerry Lee Lewis did it, too. Just kidding, Rubicon, I know what you meant.

Originally Posted by billethkid

why would anybody even consider him as a candidate? His party threw him out of one of the most powerful political jobs in the 535. He departed with disgrace.
He is a known entity...a pure bred political animal that knows exactly why things work the way they do in Washington. And as an insider his comfort zone can only be the business as usual mode of politics.

Has he seen the light? The error of his ways? I would seriously doubt that.
Should he be given a chance to show us?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

There is only one realistic choice in the current line up.

btk

And, wife #3 stands beside him smiling broadly as he talks of ethics and leadership, knowing she carried on a months long affair with him before he even allegedly asked wife #2 for an "open marriage". He is a paragon of virtue, without even mentioning the ethical issues he was censured for or his dealings with freddie mac after leaving the house in disgrace.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Well, Rubicon, just a couple of comments.

I was not comparing Newt to anyone in his puffery. I stated that all the candidates were prepped through mock debates with their staff so they all had rehearsed answers and actions. It was not quick thinking and off-the-cuff remarks by Newt but very well rehearsed answers and action.

As far as those people you mentioned that had affairs, how many had affairs when their first wife was recovering from uterine cancer surgery and followed that up with another affair when wife #2 had MS and could not perform to his satisfaction?

Glad you have been with your wife since age 13 - although that sounds very young to get married. Well, Jerry Lee Lewis did it, too. Just kidding, Rubicon, I know what you meant.

buggyone: No No you were right the first time we were married at 13. We invited people all over the hallow. Had opposum on the grille, sweet tatters
corn bread, dove breast with squirrel gravy and mamma's pecan pie. Uncle Jed supply us with his best two day old burbon.

Just kidding on the opposum. We couldn't catch any that day.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

And, wife #3 stands beside him smiling broadly as he talks of ethics and leadership, knowing she carried on a months long affair with him before he even allegedly asked wife #2 for an "open marriage". He is a paragon of virtue, without even mentioning the ethical issues he was censured for or his dealings with freddie mac after leaving the house in disgrace.

Newt and Callista carried on a seven year affair: 1993 until 2000.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Newt and Callista carried on a seven year affair: 1993 until 2000.

As Zig Ziglar once said, "If you beleive infidelity is okay I would be glad to debate that point with you on television in your home town".

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

As Zig Ziglar once said, "If you beleive infidelity is okay I would be glad to debate that point with you on television in your home town".

I heard a speech by him once.....he was great.

Originally Posted by Bucco

And your point is...............................????

The point is that Newtie is a hypocritical lying scumbug. And yes, I know you can name a bunch of dems who are also hyporitical lying scumbugs. However, your question was what is your point about Newtie.

Well the swing through Florida is going to be a real eye opener for Republican voters.

Romney just released his tax returns and paid an effective 13.9% on 21 million. I know I know its investment income. but voters are going to want answers about the 190 to 250 million he made at Bain, more specifically how. they are also going to watch his reactions to claims made against he and Scott and again specifically his responses.

Bottom line is that it does matter what the truth is but Romney may have too many problems to survive. He can't and won't repeal ObamaCare because he won't admit romneyCare was a failed initiative. He is the poster child for Obama's attack on the greedy 1%. He is robotic in his responses which leaves people with the impression that he is insincere,

His record in MA clearly establishes that he acted more as a liberal to moderate democrat than a conservative republican.

Contrast that Newt has bold initiatives. His response to Obama. The pertient question is will it be enough?

Its not important that individuals including me are right in predicitng whom will be the republican candidate. It is important that it was right because the stakes are as high as they have ever been