I am sure some of the uber-conservatives have noticed all the construction in The Villages. Some may not have because their heads are always in the sand, but I digress.

Do you honestly believe that all the roofers, framers, and gofers are legal immigrants and/or American citizens?

If ICE swooped in and made some mass arrests and deportations of these Villages construction workers, what would happen if there were no more illegals? Building would stop, communities would remain partially built, homesales would stop, your home values would plummet, your Villages dream would burst.

The slack would not be picked up by American citizens. It would be a job-killer in the community and surrounding towns.

Be careful what you wish for. It may not be what you really want.

Originally Posted by buggyone

I am sure some of the uber-conservatives have noticed all the construction in The Villages. Some may not have because their heads are always in the sand, but I digress.

Do you honestly believe that all the roofers, framers, and gofers are legal immigrants and/or American citizens?

If ICE swooped in and made some mass arrests and deportations of these Villages construction workers, what would happen if there were no more illegals? Building would stop, communities would remain partially built, homesales would stop, your home values would plummet, your Villages dream would burst.

The slack would not be picked up by American citizens. It would be a job-killer in the community and surrounding towns.

Be careful what you wish for. It may not be what you really want.

Interesting point but do you have any proof or are you one ofe those with his head in the sand.

Originally Posted by buggyone

I am sure some of the uber-conservatives have noticed all the construction in The Villages. Some may not have because their heads are always in the sand, but I digress.

Do you honestly believe that all the roofers, framers, and gofers are legal immigrants and/or American citizens?

If ICE swooped in and made some mass arrests and deportations of these Villages construction workers, what would happen if there were no more illegals? Building would stop, communities would remain partially built, homesales would stop, your home values would plummet, your Villages dream would burst.

The slack would not be picked up by American citizens. It would be a job-killer in the community and surrounding towns.

Be careful what you wish for. It may not be what you really want.

You make reckless assumptions about employees, more assumptions about people's reactions to these assumptions, and more and more assumptions connected to those assumptions.

It's just too many assumptions for me to digest.

I would bet against the following:

"The slack would not be picked up by American citizens."

I would bet the vacuum would fill quite quickly. There might be a pause of forward momentum for the word to get out. And TV might have to pay higher wages and hence newcomers would have to pay more than we did.

What a desolate future we have. Dependent on oil from people who hate us. Dependent on sneakers and blouses (and almost everything else) from people who would own us. Our homes and neighborhoods built by people here illegally/breaking the law. Makes one wonder how we were able to do and accomplish what we have before all this permissiveness was allowed to fester?

The 11-15 million illegals do not determine the destiny of the other 300 million that live here.....at least not yet anyway!!

btk

Originally Posted by buggyone

I am sure some of the uber-conservatives have noticed all the construction in The Villages. Some may not have because their heads are always in the sand, but I digress.

Do you honestly believe that all the roofers, framers, and gofers are legal immigrants and/or American citizens?

If ICE swooped in and made some mass arrests and deportations of these Villages construction workers, what would happen if there were no more illegals? Building would stop, communities would remain partially built, homesales would stop, your home values would plummet, your Villages dream would burst.

The slack would not be picked up by American citizens. It would be a job-killer in the community and surrounding towns.

Be careful what you wish for. It may not be what you really want.

I posed a question on the other illegal immigration thread.

Buggy...exactly what would YOU do about the illegal immigration situation.

I am anxious to hear your insight.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You make reckless assumptions about employees, more assumptions about people's reactions to these assumptions, and more and more assumptions connected to those assumptions.

It's just too many assumptions for me to digest.

Yet.......I assume you disagree.

Well I do know that last year T D Concrete lost 60 employees in one day when I N S came in and with the help of T D because of non documented people so yes it is very evident that what buggy said is true face facts the problem is here .

Whenever we have had work done, I asked the person giving estimates if all their emloyees are legal and so far they have told me that they are. We have not had a bird cage installed, but have had landscaping done. When we contracted with the lawm maintenance, we were told their employees are all legal.

Richie said, "You make reckless assumptions about employees, more assumptions about people's reactions to these assumptions, and more and more assumptions connected to those assumptions."

I only asked if you honestly believed all the construction workers from Villages contractors and subcontractors at all levels were legal immigrants or American citizens. I did not say they were not - but asked your beliefs.

BTK thinks a gap would be picked up by American workers but we would be paying more for our houses.

Richie just cannot digest - get some Rol-Aids.

Greg asks the contractor if the employees are legal - but do you have verifiable proof?

CeeJay wonders what I would do. I am not advocating picking them up and deporting workers. Hard working people doing the work Americans will not do. Look at the strawberry fields in Plant City and the rotting fruit crops in Alabama. It is costing millions of dollars to have these narrow-minded attitudes.

Figmo wants to move in with me and wants to know my address. I told him earlier it is the house with the large "OccupyThe Villages" sign surrounded by plastic pink flamingos.

Originally Posted by buggyone

I am sure some of the uber-conservatives have noticed all the construction in The Villages. Some may not have because their heads are always in the sand, but I digress.

Do you honestly believe that all the roofers, framers, and gofers are legal immigrants and/or American citizens?

If ICE swooped in and made some mass arrests and deportations of these Villages construction workers, what would happen if there were no more illegals? Building would stop, communities would remain partially built, homesales would stop, your home values would plummet, your Villages dream would burst.

The slack would not be picked up by American citizens. It would be a job-killer in the community and surrounding towns.

Be careful what you wish for. It may not be what you really want.

Why would you assume the construction workers are illegals, Buggy? Did you talk to them or are you making assumptions based on the physical appearances of people and their occupations? The entire premise of your question is really prejudicial, racist, fully of hateful stereotyping and just plain wrong, IMHO.

If you could word your question without it being full of hatemongering toward people with brown skin, we may be able to discuss the issue using Alabama's illegal immigrants workers' laws and unemployment figures in the state. Just sayin.'

Originally Posted by buggyone

Richie said, "You make reckless assumptions about employees, more assumptions about people's reactions to these assumptions, and more and more assumptions connected to those assumptions."

I only asked if you honestly believed all the construction workers from Villages contractors and subcontractors at all levels were legal immigrants or American citizens. I did not say they were not - but asked your beliefs.

BTK thinks a gap would be picked up by American workers but we would be paying more for our houses.

Richie just cannot digest - get some Rol-Aids.

Greg asks the contractor if the employees are legal - but do you have verifiable proof?

CeeJay wonders what I would do. I am not advocating picking them up and deporting workers. Hard working people doing the work Americans will not do. Look at the strawberry fields in Plant City and the rotting fruit crops in Alabama. It is costing millions of dollars to have these narrow-minded attitudes.

Figmo wants to move in with me and wants to know my address. I told him earlier it is the house with the large "OccupyThe Villages" sign surrounded by plastic pink flamingos.

Sooo...let me ask again. What would YOU do about the illegal immigration situation?

Inquiring minds really, really want to know!

I said I was not in favor of arresting and deporting them. That is what I would do.

Now, CeeJay, you must have your own thoughts on the matter. Let's have your full and complete thoughts. Remembering, of course, what consequesnces can be such as rotting fruits that are not picked by migrants because Americans will not do the work - and thus forcing farmers out of business and prices to skyrocket; homes that will not built and causing more shortages in housing - causing massive layoffs in business that relies on these markets.

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Originally Posted by billethkid
What is wrong with enforcing the laws of the land that are currently on the books regarding the process for legal immigration into the USA?

Why is it selective? If one is coming across the Atlantic they must follow the laws of the land to get in. Imagine, having to wait, standing in line to show paperwork before being allowed to enter. Even coming from Canada?

So why are so many Americans working so hard at trying to figure out how to deal with "ILLEGAL" immigrants?

So why all the duress over an issue that already has a solution? Because of the politics!! It is as simple as that. This is what we get when it becomes questionable whether to do what is right.

Follow the law like those coming across all our other borders. Just like we all have to do when we go to Mexico or any other civilized country.

Is it any wonder why other countries are always ready to try us on? When they see the law is applied sometimes and other times not.

Totally ridiculous side stepping the real underlying issues for the sake of a few spine less politicians.

btk

Another spot on post by BTK...how can you argue with the law? (posted by me, CeeJay)

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These are my thoughts on the illegal immigrant situation. Only BTK says it much better than I can. You have to take the bad with the good...so strawberries may rot and houses will take longer to build...
How can you argue with the LAW?

Originally Posted by buggyone

I said I was not in favor of arresting and deporting them. That is what I would do.

Huh?

I think anyone here illegally should be deported...period. No matter if they're one minute old or one hundred years old. Age is not important.

It's isn't fair to the folks that go through the proper channels to come here for these illegals to get a fast path to anything but a trip back home.

I have Canadian friends who have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in homes here and can only spend 6 months in the US. The ones that are trying to get green cards, to stay here a little longer and getting nothing but grief from the government.

Asking a contractor/landscaper if they use illegals...ha ha I'm sure they'd tell you they're using illegal aliens...NOT.

The economy is not going to tank, because we deport ALL illegals.

This should be a simple issue, in my opinion.