you remember the one done in secrecy with nobody reading it until they had it passed and paid folks off with the favors to get their vote and handouts to the insurance companies....

"This morning the Mercatus Center is publishing my study, “The Fiscal Consequences of the Affordable Care Act,” which evaluates the comprehensive health care reform law (the ACA) enacted in 2010. In this study, I project that the ACA will add over $1.15 trillion to net federal spending and more than $340 billion to federal deficits over the next ten years, and far more thereafter.

That this law on which so many high hopes were placed will significantly worsen federal finances is an unfortunate but unambiguous result. The finding is based upon analyses published by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and CMS Medicare Actuary, and it reflects an optimistic fiscal scenario in which all of the law’s cost-saving provisions work as currently envisioned."

The Fiscal Consequences of the Affordable Care Act | e21 - Economic Policies for the 21st Century

That is not news. Everyone knows when the government says it will save you money, that you need to keep a firm grasp on your wallet.

Ole, "Let's pass this so we can find out whats in it." needs to be replaced along with the other 525 criminals currently in Foggy Bottom.

I continue to be amazed by how many Americans remain silent on the real cost issues when they are presented for the improperly named affordable health care bill.

There has been a red flag waving ever since the days before the bill was rammed through by Obama, Nancy and Harry.

It is absolutely amazing this bill is being allowed to continue in it's passed format.

The affordable health care the USA cannot afford....it isn't funny one bit.

At some point the lemmings will have to take note of the reality of what they are being sucked into....we hope!!

btk

I've mostly been quiet because I believe the individual mandate is unconstitutional and will be struck down.

I might admire the goal, but what we got certainly doesn't fix the problem.

Originally Posted by djplong

I've mostly been quiet because I believe the individual mandate is unconstitutional and will be struck down.

I might admire the goal, but what we got certainly doesn't fix the problem.

I also admire the goal, BUT NOT THE EFFORT....it became a political legacy and NOTHING ELSE.

I know that the bill isnt really in effect as of yet but it should be labeled as suspended while it is being determined by the courts if it is legal or not. And don't be to sure it wont be found constitutional, if not then all the congressmen that voted for it should be questioned on there understanding of the constitution. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by DDoug

I know that the bill isnt really in effect as of yet but it should be labeled as suspended while it is being determined by the courts if it is legal or not. And don't be to sure it wont be found constitutional, if not then all the congressmen that voted for it should be questioned on there understanding of the constitution. Just my opinion.

The scary part is that our "leaders" are already "stealing" money from the future to spend today...

"All told, Congress and the president have tapped some $50 billion earmarked to pay for benefits and programs in the health care overhaul in future years to fund more-immediate spending needs."

Money slated for health law gets detoured - Washington Times

"Both earlier efforts dealt with health care issues, but the bill Mr. Obama signed Monday marks the first time that the massive 2010 law has been tapped to fund something completely unrelated."

I just am amazed that nobody in the MSM covers any of this stuff !!!!

Originally Posted by Bucco

The scary part is that our "leaders" are already "stealing" money from the future to spend today...

"All told, Congress and the president have tapped some $50 billion earmarked to pay for benefits and programs in the health care overhaul in future years to fund more-immediate spending needs."

Money slated for health law gets detoured - Washington Times

"Both earlier efforts dealt with health care issues, but the bill Mr. Obama signed Monday marks the first time that the massive 2010 law has been tapped to fund something completely unrelated."

I just am amazed that nobody in the MSM covers any of this stuff !!!!

People on both sides have sat back and watched as these clowns in Washington have raided Al Gore's "lock box" holding Social Security funds......why would anyone expect the clowns to honor the allocation of funding for the obamacare law????

When will Democrats and leftists admit that it's these BOOBS and their incompetence and spending addiction we're against, NOT healthcare finance overhaul that would help everyone get insurance coverage that aims for national solvency?!?!?!?

Originally Posted by Bucco

you remember the one done in secrecy with nobody reading it until they had it passed and paid folks off with the favors to get their vote and handouts to the insurance companies....

"This morning the Mercatus Center is publishing my study, “The Fiscal Consequences of the Affordable Care Act,” which evaluates the comprehensive health care reform law (the ACA) enacted in 2010. In this study, I project that the ACA will add over $1.15 trillion to net federal spending and more than $340 billion to federal deficits over the next ten years, and far more thereafter.

That this law on which so many high hopes were placed will significantly worsen federal finances is an unfortunate but unambiguous result. The finding is based upon analyses published by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and CMS Medicare Actuary, and it reflects an optimistic fiscal scenario in which all of the law’s cost-saving provisions work as currently envisioned."

The Fiscal Consequences of the Affordable Care Act | e21 - Economic Policies for the 21st Century

I wonder how the prescription drug benefit plan for Medicare affected government spending? Got any figures on that?

Figured since I wondered maybe I should look it up....Here ya go.

Medicare Drug Benefit May Cost $1.2 Trillion (washingtonpost.com)


And a piece from forbes (not a liberal mouthpiece)

Republican Deficit Hypocrisy - Forbes.com

Originally Posted by cologal

I wonder how the prescription drug benefit plan for Medicare affected government spending? Got any figures on that?

Sorry I didnt look that up for you but was posting a thread on the Affordable Health care act

Your defense is admirable but tell us why you like this bill so much !!

THEN you surely can start a thread to demean the previous administration, as I assume that will be your defense of this Affordable care act, and maybe I will join you in criticizing that particular act, but it surely canot be a defense for this

Bush did it !!

Originally Posted by Bucco

Sorry I didn't look that up for you but was posting a thread on the Affordable Health care act

Your defense is admirable but tell us why you like this bill so much !!

THEN you surely can start a thread to demean the previous administration, as I assume that will be your defense of this Affordable care act, and maybe I will join you in criticizing that particular act, but it surely cannot be a defense for this

Bush did it !!

Bucco.... this was NOT a "Bush did it post" and you are intelligent enough to know that.

I will tell you why I support this bill...

I am 61 years old, have 2 artificial knees and leaky kidney, in layman's terms no insurance company in the free market will insure me. Can't get life insurance either. But the no pre-exisiting conditions clause of the Affordable Healthcare Act will insure I get coverage if I retire before 65 and Medicare.

Pretty simple....

Originally Posted by cologal

Bucco.... this was NOT a "Bush did it post" and you are intelligent enough to know that.

I will tell you why I support this bill...

I am 61 years old, have 2 artificial knees and leaky kidney, in layman's terms no insurance company in the free market will insure me. Can't get life insurance either. But the no pre-exisiting conditions clause of the Affordable Healthcare Act will insure I get coverage if I retire before 65 and Medicare.

Pretty simple....

I totally and completely sympathize with you and hope you know that is very sincere.

I said when this began....back when...WHY is he not doing what he said he would do, ie. having that open and public debate on health costs, tort reform, etc because this was ONE of the very few things he said during the campaign that I really felt had merit. BUT he did NONE of the things he promised and this is the result.

What bothers me other than folks like you who will suffer if this is overturned and I have hopes that if it is, the court will find folks like you have been "cheated" and come up with a solution...anyway what bothers me is that the anger is mis aimed...it should be directly aimed at this President and all of his lies and totally forgetting people...health costs, tort reform, etc. This problem, if it becomes one is his fault and nobody elses.
He obviously looked at this as a political opportunity which, in my opinion, dictates he every action. The Buffet thing is just another example.

I do sincerely hope that there is something that comes out of this that will allow your coverage...I really do.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I totally and completely sympathize with you and hope you know that is very sincere.

I said when this began....back when...WHY is he not doing what he said he would do, ie. having that open and public debate on health costs, tort reform, etc because this was ONE of the very few things he said during the campaign that I really felt had merit. BUT he did NONE of the things he promised and this is the result.

What bothers me other than folks like you who will suffer if this is overturned and I have hopes that if it is, the court will find folks like you have been "cheated" and come up with a solution...anyway what bothers me is that the anger is mis aimed...it should be directly aimed at this President and all of his lies and totally forgetting people...health costs, tort reform, etc. This problem, if it becomes one is his fault and nobody elses.
He obviously looked at this as a political opportunity which, in my opinion, dictates he every action. The Buffet thing is just another example.

I do sincerely hope that there is something that comes out of this that will allow your coverage...I really do.

Bucco.... I take this post as you intend it and thank you for the response.

Have you heard this before.....

"....said he advised President Obama against taking up health care reform following a special election in 2010 that changed Democrats' fortunes in the Senate, saying that he should have instead turned his focus to financial reform."

"...I would have started with financial reform but certainly not health care,"

Those quotes from ....DA DA.....Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass. !!!!!!

Barney Frank: Obama Made 'Mistake' With Health Care Push - Jonathan Miller - NationalJournal.com

How can there be any doubt about the motivation of this President any longer...these things come out weekly !!!