“I’ve never seen a guy change his positions on so many things, so fast, on a dime, on everything,” Giuliani said about the former Massachusetts governor.“Pro-choice, pro-life. And pro-choice because somebody, a close friend, died, and he became pro-choice because this woman died of an abortion. Then he figures out there are embryos and he changes.

“Then he was pro-gun control,” Giuliani opined.“Fine. Then he becomes a lifetime member of the NRA. Then he was pro cap and trade. Now he’s against cap and trade. He was pro-mandate for the whole country, then he becomes anti-mandate and he takes that page out of his book and republishes the book. I could go on and on.”

Giuliani concluded that Romney is a "man that will say anything to become president of the United States.”





I think it's very nice of Rudy to do all this opposition research for the DNC. Between Rudy, Sanitarium and Newt's comments about Willard, the DNC just about has everything covered.

With friends like these .......

Originally Posted by coralway

“I’ve never seen a guy change his positions on so many things, so fast, on a dime, on everything,” Giuliani said about the former Massachusetts governor.“Pro-choice, pro-life. And pro-choice because somebody, a close friend, died, and he became pro-choice because this woman died of an abortion. Then he figures out there are embryos and he changes.

“Then he was pro-gun control,” Giuliani opined.“Fine. Then he becomes a lifetime member of the NRA. Then he was pro cap and trade. Now he’s against cap and trade. He was pro-mandate for the whole country, then he becomes anti-mandate and he takes that page out of his book and republishes the book. I could go on and on.”

Giuliani concluded that Romney is a "man that will say anything to become president of the United States.”





I think it's very nice of Rudy to do all this opposition research for the DNC. Between Rudy, Sanitarium and Newt's comments about Willard, the DNC just about has everything covered.

With friends like these .......

I know,,isn't it terrible and he did that over many years and through many kind of experiences.....what a choice we have to make.

The fellow in the White House makes him look like an amateur and he did it in just 3 years...WOW,,what a guy...

Just one little sample...if you want more let me know...this is just handy right now but BOY we got a lot...


"The Barack Obama of 2011 and the Barack Obama of 2008 don't always see eye to eye.

Typically the presidential vision has overruled the candidate's. (Extending the Bush tax cuts, supporting indefinite detention without trial and engaging in open-ended war in Afghanistan are a few examples.)

But in the case of the complete withdrawal of American troops from Iraq by the end of this year, candidate Obama prevailed over the president.

President Obama wanted to stay longer -- as recently as a few weeks ago asking the Iraqi government to allow 10,000, then 3,000 troops to remain past New Year's Eve.

But the president ultimately had no choice but to stick to candidate Obama's plan -- thanks, of all things, to an agreement signed by George W. Bush.

Ending The War In Iraq: How Obama's Own Rhetoric -- And George Bush's Pact -- Boxed In The President

You might want to look at the most recent Panama agreement where he railed AGAINST it...NOW, he thinks it is wonderful.

I give it to him...he has accomplished so much in so little time.

I give it to him...he has accomplished so much in so little time.




Osama Bin Laden would probably agree with you - that is, if he were still around.

Doesn't matter. I'm not even going to check up on your unsubstantiated musings.

Romney is the anti-Obama; and that's all that's important.

My focus has been on Romney's positions on the economy, defense, ObamaCare and his position has remained consistent. The social issues being pushed, while important, are meant to sidetrack the important issues and more importantly Obama's dismal failures here.

Originally Posted by coralway

I give it to him...he has accomplished so much in so little time.




Osama Bin Laden would probably agree with you - that is, if he were still around.

Please layout what he has accomplished....I mean HIM.....his legacy bill is in front of the Supreme Court.....he is using 100% of what the previous administration used in the area of combating terrorism in this country...he jst came back from a disaster meeting in South America..a DISASTER.....you mention Bin Laden..glad he is gone but if Obama is taking credit for what an agency of the government that is not political, then he deserves to be in the conversation on GSA and Secret Servie, although I dont think any of it applies to him....so what has he accomplished....foreign relations is in a shambles.....NO BUDGET in the USA for three years...imagine...NO BUDGET, and yesterday it came out how he was to spend 8 BILLION dollars just to insure the little taxes buried in the health care bill do not come out before the election...EVERY...I MEAN EVERY agency in the government came down on him for that little trick....he pushed the Buffet rule which all economist call a political trick...and the money he got caught trying to spend yesterday...TAX PAYERS money...is about 20% of what Buffet would save. You are right..he has done a lot in 3 years.....and we have to stop him before it is too late

I have to run right now but if you want more of either his flip flops.....the carnage from his 3 years...the 3 years with NO BUDGET...why is that we have no budget and his submission is voted down every year by his own party.....read...study...has a bit to do with the healthcare bill.

from the website:
The Top 10 Obama Flip Flops by Ari Fleischer | Facebook

■Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
■Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.
■Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.
■Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.
■Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.
■Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.
■Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.
■Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.
■Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.
■Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

from the website:
The Top 10 Obama Flip Flops by Ari Fleischer | Facebook

■Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
■Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.
■Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.
■Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.
■Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.
■Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.
■Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.
■Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.
■Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.
■Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.

SAY IT ISNT SO !!!!

And he only had a short time to do all this, PLUS !!!!

Why not throw in colonizing the Moon for the USA; promising to clone a cheetah; shooting his age at Burning Tree Country Club; and providing Godfather's Pizza free for the country?

Downright pathetic if this is all the G'Nopers have to offer. Have Mitt talk about some substance for a change. Even Fox Noise said that Mitt is behind in polls in the Arizona primary. You would expect Mitt to explode against Pres. Obama in Arizona of all places with their facist loving sheriffs there and Brownshirt Governor.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Why not throw in colonizing the Moon for the USA; promising to clone a cheetah; shooting his age at Burning Tree Country Club; and providing Godfather's Pizza free for the country?

Downright pathetic if this is all the G'Nopers have to offer. Have Mitt talk about some substance for a change. Even Fox Noise said that Mitt is behind in polls in the Arizona primary. You would expect Mitt to explode against Pres. Obama in Arizona of all places with their facist loving sheriffs there and Brownshirt Governor.

The thread began as a disrespectful slam on Romney about flip flopping and thus everybody was referring to the subject of the thread, UNTIL you came on and talked about something else, which is certainly not unusual at all, and actually when I saw the title trying to be cute with the names I could have sworn you had begun it.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Please layout what he has accomplished....I mean HIM.....his legacy bill is in front of the Supreme Court.....he is using 100% of what the previous administration used in the area of combating terrorism in this country...he jst came back from a disaster meeting in South America..a DISASTER.....you mention Bin Laden..glad he is gone but if Obama is taking credit for what an agency of the government that is not political, then he deserves to be in the conversation on GSA and Secret Servie, although I dont think any of it applies to him....so what has he accomplished....foreign relations is in a shambles.....NO BUDGET in the USA for three years...imagine...NO BUDGET, and yesterday it came out how he was to spend 8 BILLION dollars just to insure the little taxes buried in the health care bill do not come out before the election...EVERY...I MEAN EVERY agency in the government came down on him for that little trick....he pushed the Buffet rule which all economist call a political trick...and the money he got caught trying to spend yesterday...TAX PAYERS money...is about 20% of what Buffet would save. You are right..he has done a lot in 3 years.....and we have to stop him before it is too late

I have to run right now but if you want more of either his flip flops.....the carnage from his 3 years...the 3 years with NO BUDGET...why is that we have no budget and his submission is voted down every year by his own party.....read...study...has a bit to do with the healthcare bill.

The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

Originally Posted by coralway

The Washington Monthly - The Magazine - Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

1. I never thought you would return....you usually dont...just jump in and take a shot at somebody and never return....for that I give you credit.

2. Because I think you may be a "selective" reader, you probably haven't noticed that I have complimented Obama a number of times on here. Thus I chide you as you chide everything not democratic. I care about country,and you care about the party, which is fine...your call.

3. You do not respond to the flip flops however and if you do, PLEASE find a better source than the one you linked here...from Wiki..."The politics of the Monthly are left of center. Founder Charles Peters refers to himself as a New Deal Democrat and advocates the effective use of government to address social problems." , which I thiink might make it a bit biased...like on the list they give (which is very funny by the way) one of which is "Toppled Moammar Gaddafi"

4. Someday...someday...PLEASE and I will allow you to pick the subject, lets discuss REAL issues facing the country instead of your constand and never ending to discredit...that might be more stimulating.

If the Cons use Ari Fleischer as a source ... Ari Fleischer !!!!! Junior's water boy ..........then, what's the beef?

Originally Posted by coralway

If the Cons use Ari Fleischer as a source ... Ari Fleischer !!!!! Junior's water boy ..........then, what's the beef?

regardless of who prepared the listing of the pres' flip flops - you can't deny them! they are facts!

if ya don't like ari fleischer's accounting of flip flops...take your choice of any from among the list compiled by my search engine:
obama flip flops - Norton Safe Search

apologies for the repetition!

That was then::::::::

Lets hear what Our future President has to say now that the race is between two men. Keep in mind, that during the primaries, a candidate is dealing with the public and the public is made up of people that don't know the difference between NAFTA and a NASH RAMBLER. Politicians have always been flip flopper's depending on the interest of each rally they speak at.

You will hear the true Romney from this point on. Listen --- learn and most important stop bad mouthing him before he debates at this stage of the game.