Promise #1 Under my plan no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of a tax.

75% of those making under $120,000 will see a 2.3% medical device tax, 10% excise tax on tanning and their adjust gross income will rise from7.5% to10%

Promise #2 If you like your healthcare plan you will be able to keep it.

Already 30% of emploers acknowledge with the implemntation of ObaCare they will drop their coverages.

Promise #3 I will not sign into law a plan that will add one dime now or in the future

Ask the CBO their recent projections based on Team obama's submissions to them

Promise #4 I will protect medicare

Yea because ObamaCare will end medicare

Promise #5I will sign into law a health care bill which will cover every american and cut costs of any type of premiums yp to $2,500 a year

some 22 million americans will still not be covered by this plan ..Again ask the CBO about the decrease in premium scenario

Liberty Council 7/6

Originally Posted by rubicon

Promise #1 Under my plan no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of a tax.

75% of those making under $120,000 will see a 2.3% medical device tax, 10% excise tax on tanning and their adjust gross income will rise from7.5% to10%

Promise #2 If you like your healthcare plan you will be able to keep it.

Already 30% of emploers acknowledge with the implemntation of ObaCare they will drop their coverages.

Promise #3 I will not sign into law a plan that will add one dime now or in the future

Ask the CBO their recent projections based on Team obama's submissions to them

Promise #4 I will protect medicare

Yea because ObamaCare will end medicare

Promise #5I will sign into law a health care bill which will cover every american and cut costs of any type of premiums yp to $2,500 a year

some 22 million americans will still not be covered by this plan ..Again ask the CBO about the decrease in premium scenario

Liberty Council 7/6

None of this matters dont you see !!!! We cant afford it either, now stand by as you are called all kind of insensitive things because how dare you question HIM on a bill that does so many good things. Lying is acceptable in this administration...has been going on from day one.

The items in the bill are good...IT IS NOT WHAT WE WERE TOLD..not even close !! This bill as said many times is a disaster and will bring this country to its needs in its present form.

I could pick your post apart bit by bit but that takes too long. How about just on " 10% excise tax on tanning "?

This went into effect in 2010. Are you in favor of skin cancer? Tanning salons promote skin cancer. When we are on the golf courses or by the pools, we have enough sense to apply sunscreen. The tanning salons are for that all-over tan and no sunscreen is used.

Personally, I feel tanning salons should be banned and not just have a 10% tax put on them.
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Another poster writes, "Lying is acceptable in this administration...has been going on from day one." He should go back to the Junior Bush administration where lying cost over 4,400 American lives, the Clinton Administration where certain sex acts were not sex, the Carter administration where rabbits attacked people; the LBJ administration where lies were told about US ships being attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin.

THANK YOU Rubicon for posting how this HUGE TAX INCREASE will affect us all!! Those that fall in the "still not sure" category please investigate this. He is correct!! those on other side of fence still just don't care. They are like plants growing looking for water and sunshine and don't realize the "weeds" are overtaking them at a very quick rate of speed until they die and can no longer exist.

Ridiculous.....absurd......totally false.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Ridiculous.....absurd......totally false.

Just wonderin' DaleMN...can you back up your claims of "ridiculous", "absurd" and "totally false"?

What are your thoughts (besides those 4 words)?

I would love to see a factful and well-thought out answer from you instead of your tweets.

How about it?

Originally Posted by ceejay

Just wonderin' DaleMN...can you back up your claims of "ridiculous", "absurd" and "totally false"?

What are your thoughts (besides those 4 words)?

I would love to see a factful and well-thought out answer from you instead of your tweets.

How about it?

Four words pretty much summarizes it.

I never get an answer but I will keep on trying.

So if we give you supporters of Obamacare that it is the end all cure all that you think it is....is it OK with you that the OMB has been waving a red flag about the costs embedded in the bill?

Are you OK with being taxed what ever amount it will take to to do all the great things you think it will provide

Are you OK with watered down medicare coverage as those dollars are use for Obamacare?

Would you buy anything that you did not know how much it was going to cost you?

Would you trust a salesperson who tells you don't worry about the cost, just sign the contract and we will work out the numbers later?

C'mon now....no partisan flag waving we know where you are seated. The rising costs will affect everyone including you.

Is it OK with you?

btk

Originally Posted by buggyone

I could pick your post apart bit by bit but that takes too long. How about just on " 10% excise tax on tanning "?

This went into effect in 2010. Are you in favor of skin cancer? Tanning salons promote skin cancer. When we are on the golf courses or by the pools, we have enough sense to apply sunscreen. The tanning salons are for that all-over tan and no sunscreen is used.

Personally, I feel tanning salons should be banned and not just have a 10% tax put on them.
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Another poster writes, "Lying is acceptable in this administration...has been going on from day one." He should go back to the Junior Bush administration where lying cost over 4,400 American lives, the Clinton Administration where certain sex acts were not sex, the Carter administration where rabbits attacked people; the LBJ administration where lies were told about US ships being attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin.

1. We are talking about the current administration. I assume that you are saying that this President can lie because others have done so. I would disagree on that.

2. I hope you find the time to " pick your post apart bit by bit " and look forward to that !!!

Here are a few items just to help you research...

....Drug manufactures will pay the government 16 Billion in the next 8 years
.....Health insurer will pay 47 Billion in the next 8 years
.....Medical device manufacturers will pay 2.9% excise tax on the sale of any of any of their products beginning in 2013
.....Government payments to Medicaire advantage will be reduced by
132 Billion over 10 years
.....Medicaire payments for home health care will be reduced by 40 Billion
.....Cuts in some certain payments to hospitals will be reduced.
.....Extra social security taxes to be paid because of pay raised that folks
will receive in lieu of companies paying for health insurance
.....In 2018 insurance companies will pay a 40% excise tax on any high end
insurance policies
..... A 3.9 tax on investment income for individuals over 200M and families
over 250 M starting next year.
.....Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals if they fail to meet "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by
HHS
.....Codification of the "economic substance doctrine" (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely--legal tax deductions and
other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks "substance" and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.
.....a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel called "black liquor"
.....The special tax deductions in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are
spent on clinical services (called Blue Cross/Blue Shield tax hike)
.....10 percent excise tax on mericans using indoor tanning salons.
.....Increase in additional tax on distributions from Health Savings Accounts and Archer Medical Savings Accounts not used for qualified medical expenses


Look forward to hearing from you


PS.....THIS is a partial list but will accept your "pick your post apart bit by bit " on these items and then we can move on

We were promised a "" pick your post apart bit by bit "...actually the poster said he COULD, not that he WOULD...but taking him at his word I am sure he will give it a fair shot...thought would add a few more costs to the taxpayers on this bill, HOWEVER, the good news is that it WILL CREATE JOBS, it appears...

"The Supreme Court's decision to uphold most of President Barack Obama's health care law will come home to roost for most taxpayers in about 2 1/2 years, when they'll have to start providing proof on their tax returns that they have health insurance.

That scenario puts the Internal Revenue Service at the center of the debate, renewing questions about whether the agency is capable of policing the health care decisions of millions of people in the United States while also collecting the taxes needed to run the federal government.

Under the law, the IRS will provide tax breaks and incentives to help pay for health insurance and impose penalties on some people who don't buy coverage and on some businesses that don't offer it to employees.

The changes will require new regulations, forms and publications, new computer programs and a big new outreach program to explain it all to taxpayers and tax professionals. Businesses that don't claim an exemption will have to prove they offer health insurance to employees.


"The health care law "includes the largest set of tax law changes in more than 20 years," according to the Treasury inspector general who oversees the IRS. The agency will have to hire thousands of workers to manage it, requiring significant budget increases that already are being targeted by congressional Republicans determined to dismantle the president's signature initiative.

This, I find very interesting that our lawmakers did not provide for stiffer rules....

"The law, however, severely limits the ability of the IRS to collect the penalties. There are no civil or criminal penalties for refusing to pay it and the IRS cannot seize bank accounts or dock wages to collect it. No interest accumulates for unpaid penalties.

So how can the IRS enforce the mandate? Scary letters and threats to withhold tax refunds."

"The IRS is expected to spend $881 million on the law from 2010 through 2013, hiring more than 2,700 new workers and upgrading its computer systems. But the IRS has not made public information about its spending plans in the following years, when the bulk of the health care law takes effect."

My Way News - The tax man cometh to police you on health care

I am convinced of two things...

First, if Romney wins this is such a confusing mess it cannot be undone as he would like to.

Second, we are not even close in this country to be able to afford this and it will be interesting to watch our wonderful congress handle how to take care of our money !!!

I am getting to the point where I do not think our "leaders" of ANY party even understand that they cannot continue down this road !!!

Can you elaborate?

I am the OP and my reason for opening this thread was not to digest ObamaCare, the huge tax burden it will place on citizens nor its constitutionality..

The reason I posted it was to illustrate that Obama continues to lie, misinform, exaggerate and cover his tracks with by denying he made such admissions. and finally to demonstrate that he is a flip flopper

Originally Posted by rubicon

I am the OP and my reason for opening this thread was not to digest ObamaCare, the huge tax burden it will place on citizens nor its constitutionality..

The reason I posted it was to illustrate that Obama continues to lie, misinform, exaggerate and cover his tracks with by denying he made such admissions. and finally to demonstrate that he is a flip flopper

Rubicon,

Don't sugarcoat it any longer. Just tell us how you really feel!

Originally Posted by buggyone

Rubicon,

Don't sugarcoat it any longer. Just tell us how you really feel!

You folks who make fun of, instead of addressing the lies of this President are doing nobody a favor.

The President will not even discuss this bill on the campaign..wonder why !!!!

Will not discuss his "signature" policy....the largest tax increase in a 1/4 of a century...the biggest upheaval to our tax policy in 20 years....a bill that required the SCOTUS to rule, and he wont discuss it...he runs from it.

I hear and read Obama the Devil, but for me and my family, We have not seen anything but improvement in ours lives since his election. Maybe I am not rich enough to feel the negative effects of the Obama administration. Now understand, I am a Romney fan and plan to vote for him if he picks an american for VP, but all the insults about Obama are non-productive and for the most part not true. I lean Republican as I am FAR more conservative when it comes to spending than Obama, but I do understand his intent is to help the poor and the elderly.