If you missed it, that's unfortunate for you. The ones who attend are three steps ahead of you in knowing what is coming. THREE Doctors from the Villages were our speakers!! I won't mention what practice.

Just a couple notes. Don't want to explain to those who don't care. You can deal with it after you vote it in.

However for those that are concerned and realize we have a Socialist in the White house, Seniors will be HIT BIG!!! You of course won't be able to keep your health plan as Obama promised. That was just another Lie. Most of us know that though. Medicare premiums will skyrocket starting out at 96.00 a month to 110.00 a month to 249.00 a month and on and on..... Doctors are leaving practices and will be going out of business. You will wait for surgeries. 6 months minimum and NOT for the Doctor of your choice but whoever you get. Probably the third world doctors will move right in because our doctors will all leave. It does not pay for them to practice medicine. You will be in line behind others (those with the hands out that never worked a day in their life) Obama will APPOINT the panel to decide if your entitled to receive any treatment, surgery etc... YES I said APPOINT - no we won't ELECT!!! This health care isn't about affordable health care - it's about ideology - the crown jewel of socialism. This election isn't about parties - it's about principles!! I have nothing further to say as for those who want to learn the truth as we did last night (right from the HORSES mouth) get out and start attending when these special speakers come in. As one friend of mine said to me last week after I finally got him down to a meeting to hear the woman who blew the whistle on Acorn. I cannot believe I fell into the liberalism trap. I see now what you have been trying to tell me all along after hearing this woman come out and risk her life to tell the "truth" I won't be missing another speaker and I thank you for helping me make an "informed decision" come November.

Gosh I think I might as well just curl up and die!

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Why don't you and your tea party group read the Medicare Act of 1965 at your next meeting. You will learn that there can be no increase in Medicare Part B unless there is an increase in Social Security COLA for that year. You will also learn that the Social Security COLA increase is related to the consumer price index. To the best of my knowledge, there is no plan by congress to change this law. BTW Medicare Part B increased to $99.60 from $96.40 on January 1, 2012 because of a COLA to Social Security.

Since no one seems to know what is all contained in the ACA, that law could have been changed. So before making a general statement like that above, someone needs to read the complete law and find out if that portion of the Med Part B was changed.

I don't know, as the way the ACA is written, it seems that no one really knows what it is or what it does.

How can I be sure to come out and hear these 'special speakers" who are THREE doctors in the Villages if you seem to feel that their views are going to be so controversial that you must protect their identity. Sometimes doctors are not the best authorities on politics nor on interpretation of the law. The AMA vigorously opposed Medicare as did the GOP. Don't hear many doctors now asking to have Medicare rescinded. So did these doctors tell you to where they are going to emigrate to practice medicine after the ACA takes effect? Maybe Canada? Maybe England?

Not sure how seniors are going to be hit big. The only proposal I have seen to radically change Medicare is the Ryan plan where you will get a credit from the government and go buy whatever policy that credit allows you to purchase which the government then sends to the insurance company. This credit can be no more than the cost of Medicare or second lowest cost of any insurance company in the market, that's what coverage you get if any with your pre-existing conditions... oh I forgot, Obamacare makes it so the insurance company can't reject you for pre-existing conditions, but they can charge you more. And over time the value of that government check will buy less and less insurance as it is tied to the CPI not to the medical inflation rate.

Originally Posted by hulababy

If you missed it, that's unfortunate for you. The ones who attend are three steps ahead of you in knowing what is coming. THREE Doctors from the Villages were our speakers!! I won't mention what practice.

Just a couple notes. Don't want to explain to those who don't care. You can deal with it after you vote it in.

However for those that are concerned and realize we have a Socialist in the White house, Seniors will be HIT BIG!!! You of course won't be able to keep your health plan as Obama promised. That was just another Lie. Most of us know that though. Medicare premiums will skyrocket starting out at 96.00 a month to 110.00 a month to 249.00 a month and on and on..... Doctors are leaving practices and will be going out of business. You will wait for surgeries. 6 months minimum and NOT for the Doctor of your choice but whoever you get. Probably the third world doctors will move right in because our doctors will all leave. It does not pay for them to practice medicine. You will be in line behind others (those with the hands out that never worked a day in their life) Obama will APPOINT the panel to decide if your entitled to receive any treatment, surgery etc... YES I said APPOINT - no we won't ELECT!!! This health care isn't about affordable health care - it's about ideology - the crown jewel of socialism. This election isn't about parties - it's about principles!! I have nothing further to say as for those who want to learn the truth as we did last night (right from the HORSES mouth) get out and start attending when these special speakers come in. As one friend of mine said to me last week after I finally got him down to a meeting to hear the woman who blew the whistle on Acorn. I cannot believe I fell into the liberalism trap. I see now what you have been trying to tell me all along after hearing this woman come out and risk her life to tell the "truth" I won't be missing another speaker and I thank you for helping me make an "informed decision" come November.

Well that does it for me! Three anonymous doctors in unknown specialties have been able to decipher 2700 pages of the AHCA and report that armageddon in approaching. Everyone knows that three doctors represent a majority of all physicians, and certainly could not have a right wing agenda. Without a doubt they tell the "truth", to the exclusion of all others.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Well that does it for me! Three anonymous doctors in unknown specialties have been able to decipher 2700 pages of the AHCA and report that armageddon in approaching. Everyone knows that three doctors represent a majority of all physicians, and certainly could not have a right wing agenda. Without a doubt they tell the "truth", to the exclusion of all others.

Well, I am not going to go too deep on this...I have posted a thread on how this is "supposed" to be paid for but nobody wants to discuss HOW we pay for it, but in my research I did find out......that the 2700 pages have in fact been read by many many in the last few years (not saying these particular doctors have done so) BUT IF you read the proposed HOW TO PAY FOR IT....then why do you not criticize those who VOTED FOR IT without reading and they admit that ?

i was not at the meeting but from other sources i understand that the big cost hike will come from our supplement or replacement policies premiums...for example, i have secure horizons by united healthcare which actually replaces my medicare...the govt gives my medicare payment to them, plus other funds, to administer my health services. my payment for this is currently zero. however, ACA calls for the govt to cut spending to these insurance companies affective oct 2012, thereby passing the cost on to me! HOWEVER, since that is prior to the election, the govt has just happened to fund an 8 billion dollar "project" to study these programs which will provide them money not to raise our costs until jan 2013, well AFTER the election...this project has been criticized by other govt agencies but as far as i know it is going through. i suggest everyone call their supplement providers and ask if a rate hike will go into effect in jan due to ACA.
i think this is the least of the problems with this bill....the long term negative effect on our care concerns me even more.

These raises are false:

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The information supplied by three doctors was most likely gleaned for their professional organizations individual periodicals subscribed to, etc. Medical organizations no doubt exist for the same reasons as other professional and business organization, one being education as to new techniques, medical /administratively, political bills pending that have a material affect on their profession, etc.

Medicare built a fee schedule long ago that limited payments to doctors and continued to get more restrictive as time passed. At about the same time commercial health care followed suit and implemented cost containment features in their policies. Given the reduction in payment fees and the double demands made by government and insurance regulations, doctors had already soured on their chosen profession and left exacerbated by medical students who changed career choices. SO IT WASN'T JUST THREE DOCOTRS OPINIONS BUT LIKELY THE CONSENUS OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL GROUPS, ETC

We now have ObamCare rolling like a locomotive out of control and I can see why doctors would continue to bale out.

I am sure there are readers here who have been caught up in the pre-admission nonsense. I can recall in one instance where I was suppose to be admitted to the hospital but that the insurance company was arguing with hospital/doctor about its need. so I just set my suitcase on the floor jumped into bed (being I was sick)and asked my wife to wake me when these institutions came to some agreement. It is clear that this example will no longer be the eception but the rule.

I considered myself fortunate for having a medicare supplement provided by my former employer. However I also pat myself on the back for having the foresight to ensure that such insurance was available to me when I retired by sticking with this company and foregoing the bigger dollar amounts tempting me from other companies. I mean life is all about trade offs. Now with ObamaCare i will no likely lose my supplement as will better than 30 million other Americans and that is a conservative estimate.

So her we go again, as evidence above, with the flippant remarks by some. It appears they have learned well to emulate their leader in chief.

I wish to thank the original poster for this information as I was unable to attend this meeting.

Originally Posted by rubicon

The information supplied by three doctors was most likely gleaned for their professional organizations individual periodicals subscribed to, etc. Medical organizations no doubt exist for the same reasons as other professional and business organization, one being education as to new techniques, medical /administratively, political bills pending that have a material affect on their profession, etc.

Medicare built a fee schedule long ago that limited payments to doctors and continued to get more restrictive as time passed. At about the same time commercial health care followed suit and implemented cost containment features in their policies. Given the reduction in payment fees and the double demands made by government and insurance regulations, doctors had already soured on their chosen profession and left exacerbated by medical students who changed career choices. SO IT WASN'T JUST THREE DOCOTRS OPINIONS BUT LIKELY THE CONSENUS OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL GROUPS, ETC

We now have ObamCare rolling like a locomotive out of control and I can see why doctors would continue to bale out.

I am sure there are readers here who have been caught up in the pre-admission nonsense. I can recall in one instance where I was suppose to be admitted to the hospital but that the insurance company was arguing with hospital/doctor about its need. so I just set my suitcase on the floor jumped into bed (being I was sick)and asked my wife to wake me when these institutions came to some agreement. It is clear that this example will no longer be the eception but the rule.

I considered myself fortunate for having a medicare supplement provided by my former employer. However I also pat myself on the back for having the foresight to ensure that such insurance was available to me when I retired by sticking with this company and foregoing the bigger dollar amounts tempting me from other companies. I mean life is all about trade offs. Now with ObamaCare i will no likely lose my supplement as will better than 30 million other Americans and that is a conservative estimate.

So her we go again, as evidence above, with the flippant remarks by some. It appears they have learned well to emulate their leader in chief.

I wish to thank the original poster for this information as I was unable to attend this meeting.

As I understand it from my own personal perspective, I probably will not be able to afford my medicaire supplement shortly. THOSE premiums are going to explode !

Rubicon says:
Now with ObamaCare i will no likely lose my supplement as will better than 30 million other Americans and that is a conservative estimate.

What makes you think that the ACA has any impact on a private contract that you have with your private former employer? Instead of posting "conservative" guesses, how about you call your former employer and ask, and post the reply, "Does the new health care law have any impact on my retirement benefits?"

Love how you can make up numbers. There are 40 million americans 65 or older per the 2010 census. And you think 30 million or more have a supplement provided by a private employer??

Rubicon opines:
SO IT WASN'T JUST THREE DOCOTRS OPINIONS BUT LIKELY THE CONSENUS OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL GROUPS, ETC

Well I don't know what professional groups are worthy of his ALL CAPS but here are the statements of every one of the primary care organizations, Pediatricians, Internists, Family Physicians,the AMA which is not just primary care, and Nurses. All of them have supported the affordable care act. Never let facts interfere with a well held opinion.

The American Academy of Family Physicians at http://www.familydocs.org/files/2010...ormandAAFP.pdf

The American Academy of Pediatrics at American Academy of Pediatrics Commends Supreme Court Decision to Uphold the Affordable Care Act

The American Medical Association at http://www.ama-assn.org/resources/do...ge-support.pdf

The American Nurses Association at ANA Rallies at U.S. Supreme Court in Support of Affordable Care Act

The American College of Physicians ( Internists) at http://www.acponline.org/advocacy/wh...individual.pdf

Originally Posted by blueash

Rubicon says:
Now with ObamaCare i will no likely lose my supplement as will better than 30 million other Americans and that is a conservative estimate.

What makes you think that the ACA has any impact on a private contract that you have with your private former employer? Instead of posting "conservative" guesses, how about you call your former employer and ask, and post the reply, "Does the new health care law have any impact on my retirement benefits?"

Love how you can make up numbers. There are 40 million americans 65 or older per the 2010 census. And you think 30 million or more have a supplement provided by a private employer??

Ahhhh, facts!

Originally Posted by blueash

Rubicon opines:
SO IT WASN'T JUST THREE DOCOTRS OPINIONS BUT LIKELY THE CONSENUS OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL GROUPS, ETC

Well I don't know what professional groups are worthy of his ALL CAPS but here are the statements of every one of the primary care organizations, Pediatricians, Internists, Family Physicians,the AMA which is not just primary care, and Nurses. All of them have supported the affordable care act. Never let facts interfere with a well held opinion.

The American Academy of Family Physicians at http://www.familydocs.org/files/2010...ormandAAFP.pdf

The American Academy of Pediatrics at American Academy of Pediatrics Commends Supreme Court Decision to Uphold the Affordable Care Act

The American Medical Association at http://www.ama-assn.org/resources/do...ge-support.pdf

The American Nurses Association at ANA Rallies at U.S. Supreme Court in Support of Affordable Care Act

The American College of Physicians ( Internists) at http://www.acponline.org/advocacy/wh...individual.pdf

ahhh, more facts!!!