Let's see if Rubio is really "An American Son," or just another politician who wants to line his pockets with our money.

JB Williams -- Romney, Rubio, McCain and Natural Born Citizen

Thanks for the satire, Figmo. It was really good of you to lighten up the forum!

That link to JB Williams was one of the wackiest things I have ever read. JB Williams is definitely on the "List of Loons" with thinking like that - and for thinking that reasonable people will believe him.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Thanks for the satire, Figmo. It was really good of you to lighten up the forum!

That link to JB Williams was one of the wackiest things I have ever read. JB Williams is definitely on the "List of Loons" with thinking like that - and for thinking that reasonable people will believe him.

Its the law of the land, I guess you did not read the article. Why do you think it was placed in the Constitution in the first place with a by for the original writers.

The 14th Amendment was written and passed to give all citizenship rights to those that were brought to this country against their will, IE., for the uninformed, slaves. You Libs have changed the meaning to mean that any kid squirted out on US soil is a citizen. Read the history of the 14th Amendment, not the Lib view of lets get them to vote. Me thinks that you should study up a little on the Constitution and become a real American citizen.

The 14th Amendment makes it quite clear that there a two kinds of citizens:

"Born".....on American soil; and

"Naturalized"......made a U.S. citizen thru legal immigration and citizenship processing.

Marco Rubio was born on American soil and has been a citizen since the moment of his birth. He was not "naturalized" later by legal processes.

14th Amendment, Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz both first generation Cuban-Americans epitomize would America is all about. Both of these guys clearly demonstrate their love of America. its freedoms and opportunities and both of these guys are very impressive. Listen to Rubio and Cruz and then listen to Obama . Liberals you may not want to because if you do you will end up throwing rocks at Obama

Originally Posted by rubicon

Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz both first generation Cuban-Americans epitomize would America is all about. Both of these guys clearly demonstrate their love of America. its freedoms and opportunities and both of these guys are very impressive. Listen to Rubio and Cruz and then listen to Obama . Liberals you may not want to because if you do you will end up throwing rocks at Obama

Except that Ted Cruz was born in Canada, so therefore can never be president.

Point of fact. Rubio was born in 1971, his father became a citizen in 1975, making Marco a native born citizen, not a natural born citizen, according to Vettal's Law of Nations, which was used by the founder when writing the constitution. That is why there is a clause in there about them having to been here at the time the constitution was written, that waived that requirement.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Let's see if Rubio is really "An American Son," or just another politician who wants to line his pockets with our money.

JB Williams -- Romney, Rubio, McCain and Natural Born Citizen

I thought you were mistaken about this when you first told me this definition of a "natural born citizen", but I must now extend a mea culpa.

You are indeed absolutely right about this.

But, it's a dead issue and the Constitution be damned forevermore, I suppose.

Originally Posted by ilovetv

14th Amendment, Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Read the difference between naturalized and native born citizens. The 14th Amendment was written for those brought to this country against their will. Libs have over the years changed the meaning to include anyone born on US soil. Learn the difference, let's see just how much of an American Son Rubio really is.

I do not care were Rubio or Cruz were born or whether they qualify to be President or Vice President because as Senators they, and morelike them that will follow, are going to change Washington for the better and better as members of Congress than any one President could ever do

In otherwords their birth status doesn't negate who they are and the value they bring to America as American citizens naturalized or not..Indded these two guys are truly impressive

rubicon, I agree with you. Rubio and Cruz are great as Senators, there is no requirement that you be a natural born citizen to be a senator or congress(person) (using the PC correct usage). It is only a requirement if you want to be President or VP, would also apply to the lineage of those that would replace the President if something should happen to the person holding that office.

Either we start to follow the Constitution or scrap the whole thing and start over. Voters will decide this coming November.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Its the law of the land, I guess you did not read the article. Why do you think it was placed in the Constitution in the first place with a by for the original writers.

The 14th Amendment was written and passed to give all citizenship rights to those that were brought to this country against their will, IE., for the uninformed, slaves. You Libs have changed the meaning to mean that any kid squirted out on US soil is a citizen. Read the history of the 14th Amendment, not the Lib view of lets get them to vote. Me thinks that you should study up a little on the Constitution and become a real American citizen.

Marco Rubio is a natural born citizen, just like John Fremont and Chester Arthur | Conservative News, Views & Books

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Marco Rubio is a natural born citizen, just like John Fremont and Chester Arthur | Conservative News, Views & Books

Excellent article.

Here is another relevant statement about the 14th Amendment:

"The (Citizenship) clause's meaning was tested again in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898). The Supreme Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment a man born within the United States to Chinese citizens who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States—and whose parents were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power—was a citizen of the United States. Subsequent decisions have applied the principle to the children of foreign nationals of non-Chinese descent."

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You would think that the Republicans would circle the Supreme Court and demand that the President be forced to step down from office with the proof that has been presented so wisely by one esteemed poster and then concurred by another esteemed poster.

:1 rotfl:

Buggyone, why would the Republicans do that. They wanted to pick and run their own "American Son" who is not eligible to be either President or VP. Tit for Tat. Has I have stated many times, both parties are the same, working for the same end game, screw WE THE PEOPLLE while lining their own pockets.

I have to say, Buggyman your tells are so easy to read, that is why I took home all the big money at the last poker game. you Libs really need to watch all the tells that you are sending for when the game ends you will wonder why you have lost some much.

BTW, when is the next poker game, I am getting short of change and would like to re-supply, or better yet, just mail me all your change, will take me less time to take it away from you, but not nearly with as much fun. See you at the table one of these days. LOL