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Nursing home resident dead after confrontation with police
Last edited Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:20 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Source: NBC

A 95-year-old resident of an Illinois nursing home died early Saturday, hours after being shocked with a Taser and bean bag rounds in a confrontation with police.

Authorities said John Warna was a resident at Victory Centre of Park Forest, on the 100 block of South Main Street in the south suburb. He was threatening paramedics and staff with a cane and a metal shoehorn when police arrived at the complex, they said.

Police said they struck him with a Taser and bean bag rounds after he threatened officers with a 12-inch butcher knife.

Warna was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center, where he later died.


Read more: Nursing home resident dead after confrontation with police - U.S. News


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FFS, if you have to use a taser and bean bag rounds on a 95-year-old with a cane and a shoehorn, you don't need to be in law enforcement.

This is murder, pure and simple. You don't use a taser on a 95-year-old who is so incapacitated he has to live in a nursing home. Any reasonable person would realize that the use of a taser AND bean bags rounds will result in death for someone of that age.



On edit: Oh but wait! This nonagenarian had a BUTCHER KNIFE! I guess they showed restraint when they didn't pump him full of lead.

[Golfingnut]

A weapon can be many things. I think they did what needed to be done. I support the police on this one.

[BarryRX]

Very unfortunate, but being threatened with a kitchen knife and trying to end the confrontation with non-lethal tactics sounds like the right thing to do.

[ajbrown]

One of those sad stories that needs some facts and context. In general I side with the people in the 'line of fire' making decisions in an instant, but it is always good to have checks and balances.

Here is another article if you are interested:

Did cops need a Taser, riot shield and shotgun to subdue a 95-year-old veteran? - Chicago Tribune

I just hope folks have enough sense to not says something like the "police acted stupidly " without all of the facts....but who would do that?

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

One of those sad stories that needs some facts and context. In general I side with the people in the 'line of fire' making decisions in an instant, but it is always good to have checks and balances.

Here is another article if you are interested:

Did cops need a Taser, riot shield and shotgun to subdue a 95-year-old veteran? - Chicago Tribune

I just hope folks have enough sense to not says something like the "police acted stupidly " without all of the facts....but who would do that?

That is another version of the story, but even if that is true, they did what had to be done.

[Chief X]

simply stated - Monday morning quarterbacking is wrong. It's always easy to say what someone (police) should have done, after the fact. Put yourself in that position. A split second can mean life or death in many volatile situations. Officers typically don't have the time to sit down and discuss the "best option" in each case. I always supported my officers for their actions up until the time that all of the "facts" were presented. "Facts" - not reported to me by the media. I would label this thread "What is wrong with society" not "Cops"

[graciegirl]

I still believe in law enforcement. I couldn't be quick to accuse them of wrong doing. There are exceptions to everything but most police officers protect us well and face absolutely difficult decisions dealing with the worst behavior every day..

[ugotme]

If my son or daughter was one of the cops in question - I would be glad he/she came home alive !

[janmcn]

What the heck was a 95 year old nursing home resident, who may have had some form of dementia, doing with a 12 inch butcher knife? It seems the nursing home may have some culpability in this case.

[redwitch]

I absolutely refuse to lay the blame on anyone on this -- I'm sure there will be an investigation. Once all facts are out, then we can discuss the cause, consequences, actions but not before.

Personally, I've found most police officers to be human (LA cops may be iffy on this one) -- they do the best they can with the training they've had. Some have better training than others; some have better educations; some truly care about the citizenry; some are in it for the pay check; some for the position of power. So, I'll stand on the side of officers until facts tell a different story.

[kittygilchrist]

I'm not getting into this.

[buggyone]

It certainly looks as though the police over-reacted by using the "beanbag" shotgun round on an old person at a close range - rupturing his spleen.

You would think that a 95 year old man would be pretty frail and that two police officers would be able to have subdued him by some non-lethal method even as simple as two officers throwing a blanket over him.

We don't know all the circumstances but from what has been on the internet, the police overstepped the bounds of disarming and does not look as though they were in imminent danger so the beanbag round was not necessary.

Chances are that the officers are going to face a stiff penalty and the family will have a big lawsuit collected.

[Corey19]

You shouldn't judge people 1st ) before you get all the information & 2 nd ) if you have not walked in there shoes.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Corey19

You shouldn't judge people 1st ) before you get all the information & 2 nd ) if you have not walked in there shoes.

Amen to that. REDWITCH alluded to the fact that cops are not perfect, and they are not all doing it for what we might consider the right reasons, but if the phrase "walk a mile in their shoes" ever applied it does to cops.

Check out today's Daily News where already a "cute" young boy was killed by cops and Travon Martin's name was brought up.

“Trayvon Martin is never going to end. Sean Bell happened to my nephew,” she said. “This rookie cop — please bring him up on charges as a murderer.”



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz2b8f4WoZ1

[gomoho]

And if this was your father???