[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by spd2918

So you were never hit by a car then and forgot a proceedure. Got it.

No, I calculated that grabbing a moving vehicle was a bad idea and avoided it. Seemed a simple decision for me but I guess not for some others.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Caymus

The recent update is that the Police Chief resigned this week for her department’s mishandling of the arrest.

3rd Chief to resign or be fired, in the last 3-4 years. It's a revolving door at one of the USA's worst Police Departments.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

No, I calculated that grabbing a moving vehicle was a bad idea and avoided it. Seemed a simple decision for me but I guess not for some others.

You'd be surprised to find how many officers have died being drug by cars. It's instinctive to grab for an offender, and hard to train out once stress is involved. I've never grabbed at a moving car, but I have been sideswiped. A good friend had her career ended by being hit.

But of course you know how to do things better. They are hiring and need trainers...

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by spd2918

You'd be surprised to find how many officers have died being drug by cars. It's instinctive to grab for an offender, and hard to train out once stress is involved. I've never grabbed at a moving car, but I have been sideswiped. A good friend had her career ended by being hit.

But of course you know how to do things better. They are hiring and need trainers...

Only a complete and utter moron, would try to attach himself to a moving automobile.

If officers have died that way, they have no one to blame but themselves ... they were too stupid to live.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Being a retired LEO you should know failure to turn a body cam on during a stressful event is not evidence of wrongdoing. Cops have arrested people for many years without electronic devices to prove they are not lairs.

I see a detective working an overtime shift, probably trying to boost his retirement. He probably doesn't know how to turn the body cam on.

If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by spd2918

You must not have worked a truly stressful job. Believe me, being knocked down by a car will rearrange your thought process (I speak from experience).

People love to Monday morning cops without having a clue what it takes to their job.

He should have had his body cam on when he first encountered Scheffler, well before he was "knocked down by a car"...

And stress? Try operating in an OR when everything goes sideways, and you've got to figure out a way to fix it... (I speak from experience)...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Based on this specifics cop's track record, he often doesn't exercise even reasonable judgement.

Why is this being re-hashed, given the facts are already known?

The cop was reprimanded for not following procedure and not his first time.

The subsequently release video, showed the cop chasing and grabbing onto Scottie's vehicle.

The Louisville Police Department has admitted the officers didn't follow procedure and they didn't feel they had a case.

The cops didn't used reasonable judgement, didn't follow procedure and it's over with.

Silly facts...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by spd2918

You should have a camera put on you while you golf, you know, so we can see if you cheat. My comment was not about the camera, rather remembering to do things 100% correct when under huge stress. I don't fault the guy because I know better. But everyone thinks they know how to police with zero experience.

He wasn't under "huge stress" until he put himself in that position buy grabbing at a moving car. He had plenty of time to turn on his body cam before he made that boneheaded decision...

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

Yes, for 26 years- all on the street. Driving instructor, traffic stop instructor. Forgetting to do something under stress is not wrongdoing.

Nobody wants to be a cop anymore because of all the youtube experts telling them how to do their jobs. BLM and other critics have reduced candidate pools to people that can't pass background checks.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

If it is Department policy that the camera be on and it’s not done, IT IS WRONGDOING.

Ever been a LEO? Didn’t think so.

Sadly, I think he's a retired LEO... Hence the "I'll die on this hill" attitude...

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Yes, for 26 years- all on the street. Driving instructor, traffic stop instructor. Forgetting to do something under stress is not wrongdoing.

Nobody wants to be a cop anymore because of all the youtube experts telling them how to do their jobs. BLM and other critics have reduced candidate pools to people that can't pass background checks.

You're probably right. Working the admittance gate at a professional golf tournament at 5 a.m., is bound to be stressful. All those creeps, driving $100,000 courtesy cars, wearing shorts and polyester shirts, can be scary.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

You're probably right. Working the admittance gate at a professional golf tournament at 5 a.m., is bound to be stressful. All those creeps, driving $100,000 courtesy cars, wearing shorts and polyester shirts, can be scary.

Until an entitled jerk drives that car around the protected scene and disregards you. More cops are killed by cars than bullets.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

He should have had his body cam on when he first encountered Scheffler, well before he was "knocked down by a car"...

And stress? Try operating in an OR when everything goes sideways, and you've got to figure out a way to fix it... (I speak from experience)...

Yes, operating can be stressful, especially since medical negligence kills more people than cops every year. I almost bought it after getting a 10 times too high dose of an allergy shot, but it didn't make the news nor did I sue because mistakes happen.

Should we put body cams on all medical people (or insert your job here)? If they forget to turn them on, let's all criticize them for wrongdoing. We can make all the footage available to the public. Your supervisors can watch the video anytime they want to criticize you. Let's make the video available to the media so they can edit it, show it out of context, and only show the few seconds that paint you in a bad light. Imagine a job in which you are criticized for the maliciousness of individuals in other states. Imagine being constantly called racist for choosing a job.

That's my feeling on the body cam issue. It can be a great tool if used properly. It's horrible if used to vindictively supervise or publicly abuse people. Either way, forgeting to turn it on is not evidence of wrongdoing, only failure to follow a policy. That's my only point. The detective (who surely does not wear one in his normal duties) was or will be disciplined for not following proceedures. That should.make some of you happy.

I am very happy to be retired and I would never encourage anyone to do that job. Nobody wants to do it anymore. The pool of applicants is dwindling and we will all suffer the consequences of it.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Until an entitled jerk drives that car around the protected scene and disregards you. More cops are killed by cars than bullets.

Except....Scheffler was waved through by the officer standing in front of him who was assigned to traffic control and was in possession of the memo from the department that players, staff, coaches and media should be waved around the obstruction. This moron detective with a god complex who was working the crash site ran up from behind the driver's side of the clearly marked courtesy car and grabbed the handle of a moving vehicle. I realize you may view him as a "brother in blue", but why defend this idiot's actions in this scenario? Even his own department reprimanded him. In addition, the 2 golf channel reporters that were 100 feet from the incident at the time stated the detective was using incredibly foul language, and upon Scheffler exiting the vehicle he slammed his head against the window. I was watching the first reports live on Golf Channel and heard exactly what they reported. The picture is now complete----a detective who was not working traffic, did not have the instructional memo, did not have his body camera turned on but was going to "prove" he was "in charge" and teach the "bad guy" a lesson---and chose to do so by an idiotic grab onto a moving vehicle. I suppose, in his own mind, he thought they'd pin a medal on him for his act of "bravery"

[Caymus]

Looks like the quality of the Louisville police could be improved.

Police officer involved in Scottie Scheffler arrest charged for theft