[CoachKandSportsguy]

Imane Khelif is the topic of a lot of social controversy. .
Lets refresh her history to be sure we aren't getting misinformed by social propaganda

The Shameful Controversy Over Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif | WIRED

Seems to be its her turn to be the top of the hill in the type of field which the Olympics fields is much different than annual world championship events. .

So if the person has been medically cleared, has been competing in the same category all her life, not just now, and now the person starts to win, its time to be outraged on what grounds? first time awareness bias via social media?

Are you being fair or just being part of the headlines mob rule of everything you read on the internet is true? where was this outrage at the last Olympics?

yes part of the article is behind a paywall, for me as well, but the main points are visible after declining the subscription offer.

do you still think/feel that you aren't manipulated by news/social media? maybe Russian misinformation? 4 years of internet misinformation starting to confuse everyone?

[Normal]

Imane Khelif was born in a male body…full stop!

Medical enhancements of any kind should automatically disqualify her/him

Whatever is going on psychologically is of no concern.

If I’m wrong, would gills disqualify a swimmer? Would surgically added muscle mass disqualify a weightlifter?

[Byte1]

If he/she has X AND Y chromosomes then he is a male, PERIOD. They call it women's sports, not men's sports or he/she sports.....just women's or men's sports. For those that want everything in life to be fair, I find it very disingenuous to believe that men should be allowed to participate in women's sports, regardless of what they believe they can identify as. I find it hard to believe that women are not shouting their heads off against this attempt to destroy women's sports. Not all forms of segregation are bad.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Byte1

If he/she has X AND Y chromosomes then he is a male, PERIOD. They call it women's sports, not men's sports or he/she sports.....just women's or men's sports. For those that want everything in life to be fair, I find it very disingenuous to believe that men should be allowed to participate in women's sports, regardless of what they believe they can identify as. I find it hard to believe that women are not shouting their heads off against this attempt to destroy women's sports. Not all forms of segregation are bad.

Agreed. Females work their tales off in order to get a college scholarship and than they lose it to something that decides they are really a female in a male body? Insanity

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Normal

Imane Khelif was born in a male body…full stop!

Medical enhancements of any kind should automatically disqualify her/him

Whatever is going on psychologically is of no concern.

If I’m wrong, would gills disqualify a swimmer? Would surgically added muscle mass disqualify a weightlifter?

I agree, but would like to point out that gills in a pool of chlorinated, chemically treated water might actually be a disadvantage or disaster. But, webbed hands and feet might be advantages.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

Imane Khelif was born in a male body…full stop!

...

And you know this to be true how? Based solely on the claims of a Russian organization?

Originally Posted by Byte1

If he/she has X AND Y chromosomes then he is a male, PERIOD.
....

If only biology was that simple, for example.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

And you know this to be true how? Based solely on the claims of a Russian organization?



If only biology was that simple, for example.

Keep it simple what does birth certificate say? Test the DNA. No exceptions made

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Keep it simple what does birth certificate say? Test the DNA. No exceptions made

Read the second link. The birth certificate would say one thing and upbringing would agree. If it was ever tested, the DNA would show something else. In that case, what do you tell the person? "Yes, you look like a woman and have female genitalia but you are really a man so start acting like it?"

Not saying this is the case in the current situation, just pointing out that biology is not as simple as many would like it to be.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

If only biology was that simple, for example.

It is. But, it also is not. Swyers syndrome is a case in point. For the most part, XX or XY is the standard by which scientists classify the remains of our ancestors when they dig up the remains. There is no record of " palentological preferred pronouns" used by our prehistoric ancestors. I am personally unaware of bones or teath that indicate extra chromosomes.
There are many kinds of oddities as a result of a variety of different syndromes and other irregularities. Extra chromosomes, limbs, teeth, webbing on hands or feet, and so on. These abnormalities may hinder or help these individuals depending on what their situation is. The Olympic games are a competition between athletes of specific groups or individuals. All competitors should (in my opinion) have the same basic qualifications to compete like for like. No extra enhancements. No extra arms (big advantage in boxing or wrestling perhaps), legs (running maybe), chromosomes (possible differences in development or distribution of muscle mass/strength).
Trans-athletes, belong with other trans-athletes to keep things truly fair for all.
Just my humble and imperfect opinion.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

It is. But, it also is not. Swyers syndrome is a case in point. For the most part, XX or XY is the standard by which scientists classify the remains of our ancestors when they dig up the remains. There is no record of " palentological preferred pronouns" used by our prehistoric ancestors. I am personally unaware of bones or teath that indicate extra chromosomes.
There are many kinds of oddities as a result of a variety of different syndromes and other irregularities. Extra chromosomes, limbs, teeth, webbing on hands or feet, and so on. These abnormalities may hinder or help these individuals depending on what their situation is. The Olympic games are a competition between athletes of specific groups or individuals. All competitors should (in my opinion) have the same basic qualifications to compete like for like. No extra enhancements. No extra arms (big advantage in boxing or wrestling perhaps), legs (running maybe), chromosomes (possible differences in development or distribution of muscle mass/strength).
Trans-athletes, belong with other trans-athletes to keep things truly fair for all.
Just my humble and imperfect opinion.

I feel almost normal after reading that.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

I feel almost normal after reading that.

Normal? In the majority is the best we can likely hope for. A good solid "C". Average.
All in all, average ain't bad. A lot of abnormalities in our bodies and brains are the result of DNA damage, causing the child to take on characteristics different then what they might have been. Also, during formation from zygote , fetus to baby, things can occur that result in all kinds of different or abnormal physical and/or mental development. I harbor no ill against anyone for their differences. But, I believe I am what nature made me. I believe we are all what nature made us. We are, imo, not necessarily what we imagine ourselves to be or what we artificially modify ourselves to imitate.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The EGG! IMHO, a chicken like dinosaur laid an egg and something (heat, cold, radiation, infection) damaged the DNA in the fertile egg enough to create the first chick. "Mutation isn't always a bad thing." I think Col. Sanders said that.

[lkagele]

DSD. Differences in Sexual Development. About as common as being born with red hair, at least according to this article that I thought appeared to be pretty good.

What is a DSD? The condition at the heart of the Olympic boxing controversy and the Imane Khelif bout | Daily Mail Online

The Russians also said Brittany Griner was a male. After seeing photos of her playing topless, I agreed. Now, however, my guess is she's one of those born with DSD.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by lkagele

DSD. Differences in Sexual Development. About as common as being born with red hair, at least according to this article that I thought appeared to be pretty good.

What is a DSD? The condition at the heart of the Olympic boxing controversy and the Imane Khelif bout | Daily Mail Online

The Russians also said Brittany Griner was a male. After seeing photos of her playing topless, I agreed. Now, however, my guess is she's one of those born with DSD.

Dsd! Male? Female? Neither????
If a birth defects produces a child of extreme flexibility or strength or lung capacity or some other advantage, is it fair to let that individual compete against , for lack of a better term, "normal" men or women who come by their abilities through hard work, dedication, training, study and sacrifice. I'm not sure it is. DSD is a special situation that may not hamper them in social situations, but the potential for abusing or misusing their special gifts. That is why men and women compete separately with different events. It is why competitors, male and female have different weight categories in combat or strength sports.
XX women. XY men. XXY, XYY, ETC special catagory?

[Tvflguy]

I’m sick of all of this stuff. I heard on several Olympic channels that the IOC identifies all participants by their passport, and “his” said male….

[Taltarzac725]

CNN had a good thoughtful segment on this woman tonight on the Laura Coates show.

Maybe try Googling it.