Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2355683)

I’m sick of all of this stuff. I heard on several Olympic channels that the IOC identifies all participants by their passport, and “his” said male….

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2355440)

Imane Khelif is the topic of a lot of social controversy. Let's refresh her history to be sure we aren't getting misinformed by social propaganda.

Originally Posted by Jameson (Post 2355731)

So far the guys in women's boxing are winning. Pretty much like any other sport when men are allowed to "compete" against women.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2355440)

Imane Khelif is the topic of a lot of social controversy. .
Lets refresh her history to be sure we aren't getting misinformed by social propaganda

The Shameful Controversy Over Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif | WIRED

Seems to be its her turn to be the top of the hill in the type of field which the Olympics fields is much different than annual world championship events. .

So if the person has been medically cleared, has been competing in the same category all her life, not just now, and now the person starts to win, its time to be outraged on what grounds? first time awareness bias via social media?

Are you being fair or just being part of the headlines mob rule of everything you read on the internet is true? where was this outrage at the last Olympics?

yes part of the article is behind a paywall, for me as well, but the main points are visible after declining the subscription offer.

do you still think/feel that you aren't manipulated by news/social media? maybe Russian misinformation? 4 years of internet misinformation starting to confuse everyone?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2355538)

Read the second link. The birth certificate would say one thing and upbringing would agree. If it was ever tested, the DNA would show something else. In that case, what do you tell the person? "Yes, you look like a woman and have female genitalia but you are really a man so start acting like it?"

Not saying this is the case in the current situation, just pointing out that biology is not as simple as many would like it to be.

Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 2355745)

Bottom line. Born a male. You’re a male.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2355541)

It is. But, it also is not. Swyers syndrome is a case in point. For the most part, XX or XY is the standard by which scientists classify the remains of our ancestors when they dig up the remains. There is no record of " palentological preferred pronouns" used by our prehistoric ancestors. I am personally unaware of bones or teath that indicate extra chromosomes.
There are many kinds of oddities as a result of a variety of different syndromes and other irregularities. Extra chromosomes, limbs, teeth, webbing on hands or feet, and so on. These abnormalities may hinder or help these individuals depending on what their situation is. The Olympic games are a competition between athletes of specific groups or individuals. All competitors should (in my opinion) have the same basic qualifications to compete like for like. No extra enhancements. No extra arms (big advantage in boxing or wrestling perhaps), legs (running maybe), chromosomes (possible differences in development or distribution of muscle mass/strength).
Trans-athletes, belong with other trans-athletes to keep things truly fair for all.
Just my humble and imperfect opinion.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2355749)

Which leaves born a female, you're a female.

Since the Algerian boxer was born a female there should be no issue.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2355440)

Imane Khelif is the topic of a lot of social controversy. .
Lets refresh her history to be sure we aren't getting misinformed by social propaganda

The Shameful Controversy Over Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif | WIRED

Seems to be its her turn to be the top of the hill in the type of field which the Olympics fields is much different than annual world championship events. .

So if the person has been medically cleared, has been competing in the same category all her life, not just now, and now the person starts to win, its time to be outraged on what grounds? first time awareness bias via social media?

Are you being fair or just being part of the headlines mob rule of everything you read on the internet is true? where was this outrage at the last Olympics?

yes part of the article is behind a paywall, for me as well, but the main points are visible after declining the subscription offer.

do you still think/feel that you aren't manipulated by news/social media? maybe Russian misinformation? 4 years of internet misinformation starting to confuse everyone?

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2355687)

CNN had a good thoughtful segment on this woman tonight on the Laura Coates show.

Maybe try Googling it.