[Rainger99]

Hill could have been more compliant.

The police could have been less aggressive.


Bodycam footage shows how Tyreek Hill detainment escalated

[retiredguy123]

I wonder if the vehicle complied with the window tinting law. If the officer couldn't see him with the window closed, he had every right to open the door.

[Maker]

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?

[Bogie Shooter]

I wonder what the end result would have been if his name wasn’t Tyreek Hill?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I wonder what the end result would have been if his name wasn’t Tyreek Hill?

Or earlier this year, Scottie Scheffler.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I wonder if the vehicle complied with the window tinting law. If the officer couldn't see him with the window closed, he had every right to open the door.

Although if an officer asks me to roll down my window and keep it rolled down, I am going to follow his directions.

I have only been stopped for a traffic incident twice in my life. Both times I did what I was told and there was no problem. I was very polite and the officers were very polite.

Here is a Chris Rock public service video on how to respond - and more importantly, how not to respond - to a police stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

[mraines]

Originally Posted by Maker

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?

I would hate to see what would have happened if he were not famous. I'm sorry, but white cops abuse their power with black men.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Although if an officer asks me to roll down my window and keep it rolled down, I am going to follow his directions.

I have only been stopped for a traffic incident twice in my life. Both times I did what I was told and there was no problem. I was very polite and the officers were very polite.

Here is a Chris Rock public service video on how to respond - and more importantly, how not to respond - to a police stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If you are a white male it is a whole different ball game.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by Maker

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?

You make the HUGE assumption that when an officer makes a traffic stop that the vehicle's occupant is a normal law-abiding citizen and NOT a violent offender with a warrant. When you do this for a living, you do not take that gamble because you have ZERO idea who is in that car. You err on the side of YOUR survival, not err on the side of hurting someone's feelings.

It's okay though, I understand your point of view - after all, you probably watched a lot of cop shows on T.V. Of course you know how to do that life-threatening job better than the people that actually do it everyday. It's not like there's a lot of life risk in being a lawyer or working in corporate America. Heck, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos so I'm a professional plumber now also.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

You make the HUGE assumption that when an officer makes a traffic stop that the vehicle's occupant is a normal law-abiding citizen and NOT a violent offender with a warrant. When you do this for a living, you do not take that gamble because you have ZERO idea who is in that car. You err on the side of YOUR survival, not err on the side of hurting someone's feelings.

It's okay though, I understand your point of view - after all, you probably watched a lot of cop shows on T.V. Of course you know how to do that life-threatening job better than the people that actually do it everyday. It's not like there's a lot of life risk in being a lawyer or working in corporate America. Heck, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos so I'm a professional plumber now also.

The "A Few Good Men" defense?

Physical assault goes far beyond hurting someone's feelings.

[Toymeister]

He was clearly not roĺling down his window. I see no problem with LEOs removing him from the car and detaining him.

The same result would happen to anyone of any race in the same circumstances.

Does anyone of at least average intelligence actually think the white male would get a pass for this?

[GoRedSox!]

I think the biggest challenge in a scenario like this is to figure out how to thread the needle so that everyone knows you support law enforcement and are grateful they put their lives on the line for us everyday, but recognize that this situation should have been handled differently. I don't think the vast majority of police officers would have handled it this way.

[blueash]

It was less than one minute before they pulled him out and had him face down. Hill did unroll his window, presented his license and then rolled it back up. The cop demanded he roll it back down and didn't wait or explain, no he just dragged Hill out. DIdn't let him get out on his own which he seemed willing and able to do. Hill never threated the cop. Then face down on the concrete, knee on his back. If the cop "needed" to cuff Hill, somewhere in his training he might have learned how to do that with a person standing and not fighting, somewhere. But he chose the most physical demeaning "see what I can do to you" method.


Then a different cop forces him to sit, why? Power play. Hill was cuffed, had not resisted, did not present a flee risk, couldn't do anything. Why force him, physically push him to the ground?

Bullies with badges. Unless more video/audio says something entirely different than what we have seen so far you'd have to be seriously in denial to call this good policing and not call it unnecessary police brutality.

Scottie has been mentioned. He was actually arrested and booked and somehow they managed to arrest him without physical force. But that was a white guy. Maybe that made a difference.

[coralway]

From the tape I saw, all he had to do was roll down his window, as requested. You can hear the officer say … we’re not gonna play that game.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by mraines

If you are a white male it is a whole different ball game.

I really think that if a white guy refuses to follow simple orders from a cop that it will tend to escalate the situation.

Is there any white person out there that wants to volunteer to get stopped by cops for speeding and then ignore their directions just to see what happens?