[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Ruh Roh, first thread I look at this morning and here we have Dolly being looked down upon. Harrumph!

I do not pay much attention to celebrities, but if Dolly is being interviewed, I make a point of trying to see/read it.

Why?

Dolly is savvy in business, highly intelligent, a philanthropist, witty, brilliant with words (with lyrics and in conversation), a gifted musician, a marketing genius, a creative genius — and all that — along with a kind and knowing heart.

America needs more like Dolly.

Boomer

Preach it!

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Very uncomfortable. I, personally, don’t like to see people suffer. What does it say about people who like to see others suffer? Notice how popular that shoe style is among men?

You must be joking. You think that when people find a shoe style very attractive on a woman, what they are really thinking is I am so glad she is in pain wearing those? Up until recently, not many men wore shoes like that, so the thought of the comfort never crossed their minds. And, if it did, it was completely blocked out by the other thoughts.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Hard to imagine any "real man" who'd be threatened so much by Barbie that they'd need to be coerced or bribed to accompany their date to it.

So talented at "Knowing" others thoughts. I am guessing the poster might have meant that a "real man" would not be interested in watching that movie. But then again, I am just guessing, and not so sure that I know.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, beside the cheap sexist version of the initial doll, it’s the predominant ugly pink which is so hard to get used to… but some people like it. No female gets pumped up breasts and high heeled mules for other females. Nor would she suffer like that for herself. Initial Barbie represented a pathetic image of trying to please males. Some people say it’s empowerment, well, personally I don’t think that looking like a hooker is female empowerment. I think it’s more like a desperate attempt, at any cost, to get male attention. But that’s just me. My sister-in-law, a very proper, very British, lady turned her livingroom and dining room into various versions of Barbie pink.

Hmmm. I think you just offended or dismissed the many women who are interested in other women and might want to dress to impress them. Or do you know for a fact that no lesbian would dress that way for her wife/partner?

[Velvet]

Well I can see how Dolly got her money, or why she is doing it “her” way. To me there are somethings money can’t buy, different values I guess.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes, beside the cheap sexist version of the initial doll, it’s the predominant ugly pink which is so hard to get used to… but some people like it. No female gets pumped up breasts and high heeled mules for other females. Nor would she suffer like that for herself. Initial Barbie represented a pathetic image of trying to please males. Some people say it’s empowerment, well, personally I don’t think that looking like a hooker is female empowerment. I think it’s more like a desperate attempt, at any cost, to get male attention. But that’s just me. My sister-in-law, a very proper, very British, lady turned her livingroom and dining room into various versions of Barbie pink.

Multiple studies show that women dress to impress other women...

[LuvNH]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Multiple studies show that women dress to impress other women...

Definitely. I never dressed to impress the men when I worked.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Multiple studies show that women dress to impress other women...

K, I guess I like to fit in myself, with other women and men, but not to the point of suffering for it. The girdle never worked for me either, but then, I didn’t get paid for wearing it. No sado-masochism tendencies I guess. I don’t like to see a pet suffer in a tight harness why would I like to see a person suffer for “beauty”?

[Boomer]

Barbie broke a billion and it did not take long.

Saw it with my daughter Boomette. We both loved it. Entertaining, fun to watch, with a sidelong dose of wicked satire for us grownup women. . .

The satire joyfully mocks the patriarchy.

I guess that’s why those insecure, shorzenabunch types got all upset and ranted idiotically about a cleverly creative movie that also makes a point. They had not done such wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth since that little piece of candy they had been objectifying changed her shoes.

And then came the Barbie movie. Horrors! That too smart for her own good Barbie, with her own house, and her own car, and all those good jobs, and enjoying her life, with a little Ken on the side — how dare she not know her place!

But at the end of the movie, everything works out fairly for all. If only………(sigh)

Anyway, after the movie, I apologized to Boomette because I was one of those moms who wrongly assumed that Barbie was shallow and a bimbo and would send the wrong message to my little girl. It never occurred to me that Barbie was actually a true pioneer woman.

(Of course, Boomette secretly played with Barbie at her friends’ houses. So all was not lost. She is way into fashion though, but that’s OK. She has a couple of degrees and can buy her own shoes.)

If you like Barbie and would like to know all about Ruth Handler, her creator, you probably would like a podcast titled, “Barbie and Ruth Handler: A History.”

You can listen to this podcast, along with a lot of other podcasts about famous women throughout history by looking up The History Chicks. This particular one about Ruth Handler was from a few years ago, but they did a re-run for the movie.

The History Chicks are fun to listen to. Their podcasts go into some fascinating facts. I think most of them run over an hour but hold your interest. They cite their sources and suggest further reading at the end — at least in the ones I have listened to so far.

If you take a scroll through the long list of these podcasts — that have been running since 2011 — I bet some of those famous women will grab you — and then The History Chicks can join you on your next road trip or while you need to catch up on mundane chores or sit around the pool.

Boomer

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Barbie broke a billion and it did not take long.

Saw it with my daughter Boomette. We both loved it. Entertaining, fun to watch, with a sidelong dose of wicked satire for us grownup women. . .

The satire joyfully mocks the patriarchy.

I guess that’s why those insecure, shorzenabunch types got all upset and ranted idiotically about a cleverly creative movie that also makes a point. They had not done such wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth since that little piece of candy they had been objectifying changed her shoes.

And then came the Barbie movie. Horrors! That too smart for her own good Barbie, with her own house, and her own car, and all those good jobs, and enjoying her life, with a little Ken on the side — how dare she not know her place!

But at the end of the movie, everything works out fairly for all. If only………(sigh)

Anyway, after the movie, I apologized to Boomette because I was one of those 1970s moms who thought Barbie would send the wrong message to my little girl. It never occurred to me that Barbie was a true pioneer woman.

(Of course, Boomette secretly played with Barbie at her friends’ houses. So all was not lost. She is way into fashion though, but that’s OK. She has a couple of degrees and can buy her own shoes.)

If you like Barbie and would like to know all about Ruth Handler, her creator, you probably would like a podcast titled, “Barbie and Ruth Handler: A History.”

You can listen to this podcast, along with a lot of other podcasts about famous women throughout history by looking up The History Chicks. This particular one about Ruth Handler was from a few years ago, but they did a re-run for the movie.

The History Chicks are fun to listen to. Their podcasts go into some fascinating facts. I think most of them run over an hour but hold your interest. They cite their sources and suggest further reading at the end — at least in the ones I have listened to so far. There are a whole lot the History Chicks podcasts now. They have been around for a while, but I found them recently. Take a scroll through the list. I bet some of them will grab you.

Boomer

Here I just thought the trailer looked stupid. WOw I'd never guess it was all of those other things.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Well, depends what one considers successful? High end hookers, escorts, and gold diggers also do quite well when it comes to parting men from their money. And Dolly is an uneducated, but very talented, originally extremely poor, country girl, easily influenced by her handlers. Not exactly what I’d like my daughters to aspire to.

Wow, so because she has different views than others, some people jump to a conclusion that she is easily influenced by her handlers. Only women who do not care if men find them attractive and have the male haircut are so brave, beautiful and strong ??

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Veiragirl

Because Barbie uses BIRTH CONTROL

She became a third wave feminist. Couldn't find a guy.
I think I read that somewhere.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Ruh Roh, first thread I look at this morning and here we have Dolly being looked down upon. Harrumph!

I do not pay much attention to celebrities, but if Dolly is being interviewed, I make a point of trying to see/read it.

Why?

Dolly is savvy in business, highly intelligent, a philanthropist, witty, brilliant with words (with lyrics and in conversation), a gifted musician, a marketing genius, a creative genius — and all that — along with a kind and knowing heart.

America needs more like Dolly.

Boomer

I guess you didn't get the memo. Because she cares about her looks she is apparently trailer trash slutty , not intelligent and easily manipulated by handlers. I know, right.

[Boomer]

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[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I guess you didn't get the memo. Because she cares about her looks she is apparently trailer trash slutty , not intelligent and easily manipulated by handlers. I know, right.

She cares about her looks, someone said her ideal is the trailer trash look, it wasn’t me who said that. I said she was not educated, people seem to equate that with smart. There are many forms of smart, education is one of them. I would guess she listened to her handlers, a simple country girl probably would, to people who knew how to work the media. Or do you think somehow, by magic, she just knew everything, from that isolated one-room cabin in the mountains, on her own? Dolly is successful in fame and money, but she paid a price that some people would not. That’s all.