[K9-Lovers]

Watch the movie, "Food, Inc." and then let's talk again. That's what started this thread: my movie recommendation.

Having these kind of conversations is very beneficial for all of us. So if you can spare 120 minutes, please let me know what you thought of the movie.

[iandwk]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers

Watch the movie, "Food, Inc." and then let's talk again. That's what started this thread: my movie recommendation.

Having these kind of conversations is very beneficial for all of us. So if you can spare 120 minutes, please let me know what you thought of the movie.

I'll watch it when I get the opportunity.

[K9-Lovers]

This was quite a coincidence! Found this in today's SUN (Nov.4th 2010)

[iandwk]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers

This was quite a coincidence! Found this in today's SUN (Nov.4th 2010)

I have to agree with you on the puppy mills. You quoted earlier about the way some behaved that you had rescued. I wonder how much inbreeding was involved.

My wife and I took in a stray when we had our farm. She was sick with a uterus infection and heartworms. We went to the expense of getting her treated and she turned out to be the best dog we ever had. She was appr. 7yo, according to the vet, when we took her in in '93. She died in 2006. She had obviously been abused by her previous owners. Anytime we made a sudden move around her she would cower. If I took the shotgun out of the truck, she would run and hide just from the sight of the gun (I also raised pecans and killed squirrels. On a pecan farm a squirrel is a no no. One squirrel will eat an average of 55 pounds of nuts per year. A pecan orchard is nirvana for them).

So you see K9 Lover, I am not cruel to all animals. Only squirrels. My wife said to add that she hates spiders.

[K9-Lovers]

You are not cruel. It is the established method for producing our meat that is cruel.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by K9-Lovers;305***

You are not cruel. It is the established method for producing our meat that is cruel.

K9 About the only way of producing meat to eat is to kill them unless we let them die of old age. Most of us don't like to dwell on that. I respect your sincere and kind attitude toward animals but the majority of people are meat eaters. When as a child I saw my grandparents chop off the chickens head that we ate at Sunday dinner it wasn't easy to eat it. Almost all young people go through a stage that they do not want to eat meat. As parents we usually help to get them through it by urging them not to humanize these animals and make some distinction between domestic pets and animals raised to be food.

The reality is that we as a nation eat poultry, beef,fish and sheep.

The bottom line is people will choose the cheaper selections especially in this tough economy and they are mass produced in an a less than perfect way.

I don't think you are wrong, but I don't think that some of us are wrong to shy away from watching this film,

[K9-Lovers]

Gracie,

I agree with almost everything you said:

- I'm not opposed to eating meat.
- Therefore, I'm not opposed to killing animals raised for food.
- I'm very realistic about humans eating and killing animals (I thought that I made all of that clear in my earlier posts )
- Yes, I agree that people want the least inexpensive way to feed themselves and their families
- Yes, I agree that not everyone should watch the videos I presented. (That's why I recommended to not watch one, and put a warning before the other)

What you seem to be missing is:

- the current system in place to grow and harvest meat is cruel. With such brilliant minds in our world, I'm sure we could find better ways to provide enough food, while not being so severely cruel and causing so much suffering.

- the current system to grow and harvest meat is providing food that is substandard, and downright UNHEALTHY for humans, so that some countries have banned U.S. meat. Some countries are afraid to eat our meat products.

- you mention "humanizing" animals?? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Just because a living, breathing creature is not a human being . . .does not mean that it has no nerve endings and does not feel, or has no brain and does not think. Don't forget . . humans ARE part of the animal kingdom.

- there is no distinction between which animals we choose to have as pets, and which animals we choose to eat as concerns cognitive ability (ie, pigs are smarter than dogs). That is a false distinction, similar to deciding which plants are in our flower beds and which are weeds. That is a human JUSTIFICATION. And, just because some animals are grown to be eaten, does not mean that they must have a cruel and horrific life. They can have a reasonable good life --and then be eaten.


You can learn by:

- watching the movie I recommended (which again, is not all about meat and is educational and a documentary)

- do your own research

Or not. Your choice. But please don't patronize me until you have the whole picture.