[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

one politics are determined by your beliefs, if what information you receive is slanted you will be so guided to that conclusion, denigrating, disparaging critical opinions will steer you away, ones political views are the end result not the start

While the impetus for the doc which is the subject of the thread is complicated but the doc n Netflix made it understandabl. Backed by commentary by those who actually operate the platforms made it much easier for a dumb guy like me.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

politics and money are and have always been the great levers that move society, manipulating what people believe give access to those levers

True. My point in this thread is that the Internet now has expanded information portals. Gone are the days of the 6 PM newscasts and reading newspapers. Simpler time for sure.

Folks, with the advent of the internet, have found ways to spread false information, continue conspiracy theories and basically control thought process, seemingly with no notice.

That scares me, especially when used over and above making money...now influencing the future of our country.

Matters not whether you lean left or right, this should scare everyone. Especially, in my opinion, if you refuse to acknowledge that you can, and probably are, be influenced online,

Lying has always been something I abhor, now it is becoming a science.

[jimbomaybe]

"the creepy line" was the first "documentary" on being manipulated that I was aware of and that goes to the people who manage the search engines, directing your views

[graciegirl]

Here is a review from a trusted entity, The New York Times.

However they still have a jab at the end about capitalism. Nothing is without a slant.

‘The Social Dilemma’ Review: Unplug and Run - The New York Times

[Bucco]

“Everyone should watch The Social Dilemma documentary on Netflix and then make the necessary changes,” one Twitter user wrote. “Tonight I deleted Facebook and turned off notifications from Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn. It’s time to take back control of our minds.”

Another Twitter user said: “Just watched this and immediately deleted #Facebook and #Instagram. A must watch to understand the manipulation.”

Netflix'''s The Social Dilemma sees people to delete Facebook, Instagram

I realize I am beating this to death, but the hateful, absolutely garbage that is being distributed is just wrong

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Bucco

“Everyone should watch The Social Dilemma documentary on Netflix and then make the necessary changes,” one Twitter user wrote. “Tonight I deleted Facebook and turned off notifications from Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn. It’s time to take back control of our minds.”

Another Twitter user said: “Just watched this and immediately deleted #Facebook and #Instagram. A must watch to understand the manipulation.”

Netflix'''s The Social Dilemma sees people to delete Facebook, Instagram

I realize I am beating this to death, but the hateful, absolutely garbage that is being distributed is just wrong

I agree with you but think that people in this generation do not understand the technology and how easy it is to use for criminal activity. The content looks like it comes from friends or from legitimate sites and so they believe it. The quizzes look innocent and fun so how can they be scams? I am sure that none of them have used the security features and are unknowingly sharing not only their information but that of their friends not only in the US but globally.

[sajoe]

There was an article in the WALL STREET JOURNAL about one of the political party's use of FACEBOOK data to geofence areas of protest/riots to recruit new voters and campaign workers (POLITICAL GROUPS ARE COLLECTING DEMONSTRATORS' DATA June 14, 2020). This seems like one of the least despicable uses of data mining but were you aware of this? Is this news or "fake news"? How can you know?

Are you aware of how overwhelmed we are with psychological cues to form our opinions by the purchasers of that data? Do you know how vast and personal the data on you is? Including pictures and video? The camera and microphone on your cellphone can be accessed remotely. How about your children's data? Whether they are 50 years old or 15? Have you noticed how many commercials there are on "free" streaming TV channels? When you bought a newspaper no one knew your data but your ISP sells your data and can't be stopped from collecting it with a VPN.

Now that you are aware of these issues how many of your friends, family and neighbors are aware? Most importantly, what can you do to protect your anonymity other than live the life of a hermit on a mountaintop?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by sajoe

There was an article in the WALL STREET JOURNAL about one of the political party's use of FACEBOOK data to geofence areas of protest/riots to recruit new voters and campaign workers (POLITICAL GROUPS ARE COLLECTING DEMONSTRATORS' DATA June 14, 2020). This seems like one of the least despicable uses of data mining but were you aware of this? Is this news or "fake news"? How can you know?

Are you aware of how overwhelmed we are with psychological cues to form our opinions by the purchasers of that data? Do you know how vast and personal the data on you is? Including pictures and video? The camera and microphone on your cellphone can be accessed remotely. How about your children's data? Whether they are 50 years old or 15? Have you noticed how many commercials there are on "free" streaming TV channels? When you bought a newspaper no one knew your data but your ISP sells your data and can't be stopped from collecting it with a VPN.

Now that you are aware of these issues how many of your friends, family and neighbors are aware? Most importantly, what can you do to protect your anonymity other than live the life of a hermit on a mountaintop?

Everything has risk and people are not going to live the life of a hermit on a mountaintop but people need to stop being so naive and think before they post or believe anything they see online. No one should be sharing all of their personal information online and anything on Facebook that says please like or share with everyone should raise a red flag. This was posted by the police dept.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Everything has risk and people are not going to live the life of a hermit on a mountaintop but people need to stop being so naive and think before they post or believe anything they see online. No one should be sharing all of their personal information online and anything on Facebook that says please like or share with everyone should raise a red flag. This was posted by the police dept.

Yep, my personal fear is the BELIEVING what they read.

I read so many posts just on this forum which has a basis of a corrupt rumor, conspiracy or out right lie.

This, it appears, is how folks make decisions that affect my country. That makes it very personal. I told an ex employee about a year ago on the phone that he "better not come to me when it all explodes because it will"

DISINfORMATION is so rampant it is scary, from so many places that we did not have it in the past I might add.

[sail33or]

I will try to be short.
This is probably the single-most important thing in our time.

1. Older people are super gullible because they are honest and believe others to be honest (My dad was on the Internet only one day and caused us 1 year of trying to get back to normal. We took his credit cards and destroyed his computer.)

2. Younger generation is mostly educated by Social Media. They are extremely ignorant but believe they know everything. (I sent my brothers grandson a large sum of money to buy a car for college, he instead covered his body with tattoos.)

3. Social Media was invented and is run by the younger generation.

4. Idealism is wanting perfect environment, everybody doing drugs if they want, no borders, free abortions, free health care, free food, free housing, free schooling, etc. , etc.

5. Practical thinking is "Life is not fair" deal with it.

There is Civil War of Idealism(youngers) vs Practical Thinkers(olders).

Eventually youngers will take over. Just a question of if the olders get get to hang on a little longer.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I will try to be short.
This is probably the single-most important thing in our time.

1. Older people are super gullible because they are honest and believe others to be honest (My dad was on the Internet only one day and caused us 1 year of trying to get back to normal. We took his credit cards and destroyed his computer.)

2. Younger generation is mostly educated by Social Media. They are extremely ignorant but believe they know everything. (I sent my brothers grandson a large sum of money to buy a car for college, he instead covered his body with tattoos.)

3. Social Media was invented and is run by the younger generation.

4. Idealism is wanting perfect environment, everybody doing drugs if they want, no borders, free abortions, free health care, free food, free housing, free schooling, etc. , etc.

5. Practical thinking is "Life is not fair" deal with it.

There is Civil War of Idealism(youngers) vs Practical Thinkers(olders).

Eventually youngers will take over. Just a question of if the olders get get to hang on a little longer.

nothing scientific but on this forum, most users are not "youngers" and they pretty much are fans of the Youtube and Facebook types for news, true or not. When you see an almost word for word statement from on of the highly viewed and known sites that promulgate this trash, you pretty much know.

Not youngers at all I am afraid

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I will try to be short.
This is probably the single-most important thing in our time.

1. Older people are super gullible because they are honest and believe others to be honest (My dad was on the Internet only one day and caused us 1 year of trying to get back to normal. We took his credit cards and destroyed his computer.)

2. Younger generation is mostly educated by Social Media. They are extremely ignorant but believe they know everything. (I sent my brothers grandson a large sum of money to buy a car for college, he instead covered his body with tattoos.)

3. Social Media was invented and is run by the younger generation.

4. Idealism is wanting perfect environment, everybody doing drugs if they want, no borders, free abortions, free health care, free food, free housing, free schooling, etc. , etc.

5. Practical thinking is "Life is not fair" deal with it.

There is Civil War of Idealism(youngers) vs Practical Thinkers(olders).

Eventually youngers will take over. Just a question of if the olders get get to hang on a little longer.

“ I sent my brothers grandson a large sum of money to buy a car for college, he instead covered his body with tattoos.”
Poor choice in life BLAME YOURSELF!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I will try to be short.


3. Social Media was invented and is run by the younger generation.

Categorically untrue. What you KNOW of social media was founded by and is run by a younger generation. But that just means you were either completely unaware of the world around you, or you have forgotten, everything that happened before the year 2000.

The first public BBS was founded in 1978 by Ward Christiansen, who is now 74 years old. He worked for IBM from the late 1960's until he retired as a tech sales specialist in 2012. That would be the person that the salespeople went to when THEY had tech issues.

I joined the BBS system in 1990 when I had my first dial-up modem, and I've been social networking on the internet ever since. I was a file librarian and regularly featured chat host on Prodigy, and hung out in chat rooms on AOL. I still use what people might remember as the Netscape browser from the first days of the WWW, now known as the SeaMonkey Suite, in addition to Chrome and MS Edge. I used to hang out in IRC channels back in the day (it still exists and is still used), and IRC was created in 1988 by a guy who was born in 1967. That means he's in his 50's, just barely out of the boomer generation and into GenX.

I'm almost 60. My dad introduced me to the BBS system, and he's currently 84.

I hate when seniors use the excuse of being of the older generation to get out of understanding the internet, or social media. It is a choice to reject knowledge, it isn't age. The guy who built the first computer is older than most of you. Be honest with yourselves and admit that you just never were interested in learning it til recently. And stop using your age as an excuse to not know.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Categorically untrue. What you KNOW of social media was founded by and is run by a younger generation. But that just means you were either completely unaware of the world around you, or you have forgotten, everything that happened before the year 2000.

The first public BBS was founded in 1978 by Ward Christiansen, who is now 74 years old. He worked for IBM from the late 1960's until he retired as a tech sales specialist in 2012. That would be the person that the salespeople went to when THEY had tech issues.

I joined the BBS system in 1990 when I had my first dial-up modem, and I've been social networking on the internet ever since. I was a file librarian and regularly featured chat host on Prodigy, and hung out in chat rooms on AOL. I still use what people might remember as the Netscape browser from the first days of the WWW, now known as the SeaMonkey Suite, in addition to Chrome and MS Edge. I used to hang out in IRC channels back in the day (it still exists and is still used), and IRC was created in 1988 by a guy who was born in 1967. That means he's in his 50's, just barely out of the boomer generation and into GenX.

I'm almost 60. My dad introduced me to the BBS system, and he's currently 84.

I hate when seniors use the excuse of being of the older generation to get out of understanding the internet, or social media. It is a choice to reject knowledge, it isn't age. The guy who built the first computer is older than most of you. Be honest with yourselves and admit that you just never were interested in learning it til recently. And stop using your age as an excuse to not know.

Enjoyed your post.

I am 81, so quite a bit older than you, but I get tired of my generation blaming others all the time. You reap what you sow, whether personally, your government or anything in life. Reading posts on here condemning young folks while enduring lying and enabling such is so frustrating. Not even a blink when we hear the REAL heroes demeaned....those buried in Normandy really brought me to tears. Not the first time with real heroes.

No, my generation has left a lot of us down and frankly I think young people can actually do a better job.

And before I read posts saying things, which again is predictable on here.......We are speaking of generations , not specific people who choose to demonstrate and/or riot. Those who riot and destroy are such a very minute minority used as an excuse by older folks like me, to justify and find some fault.

Thanks for a great post.....would it not be wonderful, if we just stopped making generalizations about people ?

Rejecting knowledge is what has brought us to this state. Truth has no value any longer.

Sorry, not meaning to hijack but you are on to the truth here...as painful as it is for some to hear.

[Bucco]

Facebook warned on Monday that it would block users and news organizations in Australia from sharing local and international news stories on its social network and Instagram if the country passed a proposed code of conduct aimed at curbing the power of Facebook and Google.

This from NY Times Australia

Nteresting how the world now works