[La lamy]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Don't know why, but I just not ready for electric vehicles.

It's the battery that's the heart of these units that make up most of the cost and performance.
Until they develop a lifetime battery with 900 - 1000-mile range, then you'll get my attention.

Agreed.

[jebartle]

What is replacement cost for these batteries, ooouch!

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

What people don't stop and think about is...."where does electricity come from?" You have to have power to make power and that comes from (gasp) oil!!! Also what to do with ALL those batteries when you want to throw them out? Not too "green" now. Wouldn't be enough charging stations to serve all who can afford to buy these things. I'll stick with my "gas-driven" car!!

Tesla is already recycling, they are not thrown out.

You are right, tomorrow there will not be enough to change 300 million EVs - that is how many ICE vehicles are on the road. Tesla will be trying to reach 1 million EVs sold this year, and 2 million next year. At that rate it will take decades to completely replace ICE with EV. And at that rate, there is plenty of time to build out an infrastructure to support them.

We have to start someplace. NO one can afford to build out super chargers to support 300 million EVs. There has to be revenue generated to pay for it. That is what Tesla is doing now, building. GM, Ford, et al, will have a LOT of catching up to do, since they need to produce batteries and decide how and where they get charged. That is also whey there is no practical CHEAP EV. All the EVs have to have a high enough profit margin to pay for the buildout.

What the government could do is force various companies making EVs to have compatible charing ports, so no one has to build all the charging stations for themselves.

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by jebartle

What is replacement cost for these batteries, ooouch!

Nothing to worry about I have a 2008 Prius hybrid currently I have 290,000 miles on vehicle still getting my 52 mpg 14 years no issues when the batteries die I have been quoted $850 including installation choice will be to replace batteries or junk car I get between 575 to 600 miles per tank about 3 months driving. My Ford F-150 lightning EV should arrive approx June I’m not worried!

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I think the biggest obstacle will be that most people do not have a garage for charging. There are millions of people who will not have access to a charging station.

There are many models of outdoor rated EV chargers listed right on Home Depot. Why would a garage matter wrt charging? Most homes have a minimum of 4 outdoor walls to use.

Weatherproof - EV Chargers - Renewable Energy - The Home Depot

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

There are many models of outdoor rated EV chargers listed right on Home Depot. Why would a garage matter wrt charging? Most homes have a minimum of 4 outdoor walls to use.

Weatherproof - EV Chargers - Renewable Energy - The Home Depot

No garage/driveway (quite common in cities), means on street parking. Where do they plug in?

High rise apartments? Where does everyone plug in?

[Reiver]

Good luck with that.
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[Garywt]

Originally Posted by Brad-tv

True
But the current administration is spending a fortune on adding charge stations nationwide. Right now I plug in every night ( cheaper rates) and a full charge 320 miles no more gas ever!! Think about any normal driver how many miles do they drive a day maybe 20 to 50 tops? Long range travel 500 miles a day stop once or twice. As it has been discussed many many times on this forum electric cars are not for everyone but when you get to a 900 mile range I think it’ll change many peoples minds especially when gas it’s $10 a gallon soon

Luckily gas prices are starting to come down some. Day to day is not the issue but a 1400 miles drive 3-5 times a year is the issue. If staying overnight half way will work if the hotel has charging stations. As long as at home you can just plug into any outlet then that would work.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Garywt

Luckily gas prices are starting to come down some. Day to day is not the issue but a 1400 miles drive 3-5 times a year is the issue. If staying overnight half way will work if the hotel has charging stations. As long as at home you can just plug into any outlet then that would work.

Fast charging have to be at least 220v.

[MDLNB]

To replace the batteries in a electric golf cart it will cost you a minimum of $1100. To replace the batteries in today's EVs the cost averages about $10K (if I am not mistaken). Batteries do not last forever and degrade as they get older, making distance driving shorter and shorter. EVs and ICE are going to have to co-exist, period. EVs will never be a viable plan for the low wage earner, and will be a major investment for the middle class earner. If I was going to purchase a brand new golf cart, it would ONLY be a gasoline fueled vehicle. If you run out of gas fuel on the road, you can walk to a station and pick up a gallon of gasoline to make it to the next filling station. Far as I know, you cannot carry enough electric if you run out on the road to get to the next charging station.
I am not very concerned as I know that EVs will not take over in my lifetime. I figure that the best they will be able to do is replace about a quarter of the commuting traffic on the roads with EVs in the next 20 years. Hybrids maybe, full EV....nope.

[noslices1]

They need to build an efficient “on board” charging system that charges the battery as you are driving, so there will be unlimited miles, not just 900 and no charging stations needed.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by noslices1

They need to build an efficient “on board” charging system that charges the battery as you are driving, so there will be unlimited miles, not just 900 and no charging stations needed.

Perpetual motion machine. I love it!!

[ldovermiller]

More electric vehicles with less gasoline tax collected for road repair/ construction, who is going to pick up the tab for this??? Guess
who??? Quite a scam!

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by Brad-tv

True
But the current administration is spending a fortune on adding charge stations nationwide. Right now I plug in every night ( cheaper rates) and a full charge 320 miles no more gas ever!! Think about any normal driver how many miles do they drive a day maybe 20 to 50 tops? Long range travel 500 miles a day stop once or twice. As it has been discussed many many times on this forum electric cars are not for everyone but when you get to a 900 mile range I think it’ll change many peoples minds especially when gas it’s $10 a gallon soon

If gas goes to $10 a gallon it is because “They” want it to so they can get you to buy an electric vehicle. Really screwed up IMO

[flyboyl39]

The problem becomes marketing your used ev car. The average age of cars in the US is 12.1 years old. Even with an 8 yr warranty these cars will be unsaleable. The new Ford Mach E battery pack when replaced under warranty is a 40,000 dollar warranty claim. A Prius ( which is only a hybrid with a way cheaper battery pack ) replacement battery pack is 4000. By year 5 most true ev’s lose 30% of their range also. There will be no market for these when used.