[Jcicales]

Originally Posted by TEXJK

When the entitled start arriving in the next few months riding around with scowls ������ on their faces having to deal with the permanent residents being in there way!
Maybe it will scare them off ������

Are you serious? I see you only joined this year. And already you know everything? Wow good for you! Have a wonderful lovely fabulous DAY

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You and me, Bogie, have been on this Forum for a long time and have witnessed this discussion so many times.

The Federal Housing Act, established in 1968 has a section referred to as HOPA. The Villages must have at least 80% of people over 55 years of age and cannot have anyone living here under 19. Under 19 visitors may stay here no more than a total of 30 days in a calendar year.

This goes for rental homes as well.

Hi Gracie!

[elle123]

Originally Posted by bcsnave

How come I see a bunch of under 55 people with charges from the Villages?

Because dysfunctional children in their 20's and 30's are living with their parents in The Villages.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You and me, Bogie, have been on this Forum for a long time and have witnessed this discussion so many times.

The Federal Housing Act, established in 1968 has a section referred to as HOPA. The Villages must have at least 80% of people over 55 years of age and cannot have anyone living here under 19. Under 19 visitors may stay here no more than a total of 30 days in a calendar year.

This goes for rental homes as well.

Rephrased just a little....

Because the Villages is a 55+ community and ensures that at least 80% of the occupied homes have at least one resident over 55, they can have a restriction that says no one under 19 can stay for more than 30 days in a calendar year.

[daca55]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You and me, Bogie, have been on this Forum for a long time and have witnessed this discussion so many times.

The Federal Housing Act, established in 1968 has a section referred to as HOPA. The Villages must have at least 80% of people over 55 years of age and cannot have anyone living here under 19. Under 19 visitors may stay here no more than a total of 30 days in a calendar year.

This goes for rental homes as well.

Not to get off topic, but whatever happened to graciegirl? Always enjoyed her perspective on things.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by daca55

Not to get off topic, but whatever happened to graciegirl? Always enjoyed her perspective on things.

She's around.

[blueash]

You all love math don't you? So you have 100 homes. Each home is allowed to have four residents, at least for purposes of getting ID cards. That is now 400 people. Of those 100 homes 80%, or 80 homes must have one resident age 55+ . The villages is fully in compliance with the requirement if just 80 people are 55+ and the other 320 are 19-54.

We know that most homes here have 1 or 2 residents. But understanding the difference between a requirement that 80% of the residents be over 55 and 80% of the homes have one resident over 55 is a huge difference in the definition for compliance.

[kkingston57]

Wonder if they actually live in TV. We live in TV but per the post office, we live in Lady Lake. Also, we live in Sumter County. Our neighbor received a summons to appear for jury duty in Lake County. Easiest way to avoid jury duty. "I do not live in Lake County"

[JanRoberts]

I appreciate that one of my adult children and spouse (37 & 34) could stay with us a few months while moving here from Hawaii and looking for some place adorable to live outside of Orlando. TV was great about and we let all the neighbors on our street know beforehand and they were great about it too. Camp Villages is great for the grandkids too.

[Carla B]

Originally Posted by daca55

Not to get off topic, but whatever happened to graciegirl? Always enjoyed her perspective on things.

She's at Post #15.

[birdawg]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You and me, Bogie, have been on this Forum for a long time and have witnessed this discussion so many times.

The Federal Housing Act, established in 1968 has a section referred to as HOPA. The Villages must have at least 80% of people over 55 years of age and cannot have anyone living here under 19. Under 19 visitors may stay here no more than a total of 30 days in a calendar year.

This goes for rental homes as well.

good to see your still posting 😀

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by JGibson

Cry all you want but they lied to you. The Villages is not a retirement community.

There is a serious housing problem in America so I expect you will see more younger folks living in TV in the near future.

🙄 Spoken like a true outsider, or one who is unhappy no matter where he lives. No one lied to us 18 years ago. The only way we’re turned into a housing project is forcing the VCDDs to allocate a percentage for low income housing. For the record, our SS payments would qualify us.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Rephrased just a little....

Because the Villages is a 55+ community and ensures that at least 80% of the occupied homes have at least one resident over 55, they can have a restriction that says no one under 19 can stay for more than 30 days in a calendar year.

I think "ensures" could be more accurately replaced with "claims". It's doubtful that they're doing anything to actually keep track, not that it would be very feasible to do anyways.

Have talked to multiple new buyers in the Villages where both people in the couple are under 55 that have bought a new home. From what I can tell, there's little chance the sales agents are going to turn down a sale because they're under 55.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

I think "ensures" could be more accurately replaced with "claims". It's doubtful that they're doing anything to actually keep track, not that it would be very feasible to do anyways.

Have talked to multiple new buyers in the Villages where both people in the couple are under 55 that have bought a new home. From what I can tell, there's little chance the sales agents are going to turn down a sale because they're under 55.

I actually think it would be fairly straightforward to keep track of how many homes had a resident over 55.

Two things to consider with the new buyers under 55: 1. Will they live in the home or was it purchased as a rental; and, 2. Will they drive the 55+ resident rate lower than 80%? We don't know though some will claim otherwise.

In the end though, the HoPA rules aren't there to protect us or give us rights, the rules exist to protect the Villages and give the Villages rights. The HoPA rules do not guarantee us that the community will continue to be a 55+ community. The HoPA rules allow a 55+ community like the Villages to refuse to sell to a family with children under 19 years old and protect the Villages from anti-discrimination lawsuits based on that refusal.

An owner might be able to sue the Villages for not following the deed restrictions that they wrote. The owner would need to provide data to show that not 80% of the occupied homes have a 55+ resident. I believe the Villages have the residency data but I'm not sure they would willingly provide it.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

An owner might be able to sue the Villages for not following the deed restrictions that they wrote. The owner would need to provide data to show that not 80% of the occupied homes have a 55+ resident.

You neglected to add that the owner would need to have extremely deep pockets and be prepared to have those pockets significantly emptied. It’s never a good idea to sue an extremely well connected entity, with seemingly unlimited financial resources, and an army of attorneys at their disposal.