[retiredguy123]

Every time I have contacted Deed Compliance or Community Standards, the person I am talking to seems to have an attitude that they will do almost anything to avoid enforcing a rule. Someone stored a vehicle in a visitor parking space for a year, and the Deed Compliance guy actually told me that the owner was not violating any deed restriction because he did not own a house in the area and did not live there. Also, he was not visiting anyone.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by pauld315

They only enforce it (or even track it) if yoiu buy your home through athe Villages. If you buy a resale from MLS or privately, they never check. Once you go into the house as being underaged they wil never enforce the age restrictions. That is why there are so many kids living in The Villages. They should be doing yearly censuses to ensure they are still meeting the Age Restricted community qualifucatuons but they don't.

Where are "all of these kids" who are living in TV?

The only time I see kids is when they're visiting during the Winter/Spring holidays or during Summer break...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I don't know all the rules. If a snowbird lives in The Villages for 4 months every year, is that a fulltime resident, or an unoccupied house? And, how does The Villages count the number of snowbirds? They don't register as snowbirds or even tell The Villages when they leave town. Are there long term renters who don't have an ID card? Shouldn't the 80 percent data and methodology be public information? That would answer these questions.

For the sake of argument, let's say the Villages does not know who is a snowbird. Simple solution: consider the home to be occupied, consider the occupants of the home to be those with the ID cards, and then count the home in the appropriate category.

Are there long term renters who don't have ID cards? I would guess that there are not. Part of the appeal of the Villages is the amenities and renting long term without use of the amenities wouldn't make much sense.

Should the 80% data and methodology be public information? No. The Villages is a private company and entitled to keep their internal processes private. If they file paperwork with HUD concerning the current ratio then that ought to be public, or at least FOIA'able, but unless HUD chooses to question the methodology it would be private.

I am comfortable that the 80/20 ratio is being met. EVEN IF IT IS NOT, since I don't have a family who was denied the opportunity to live here due to having children I have not been harmed. The 80/20 rule is not a guarantee to me that I won't have a 23 year old on my street. The 80/20 rule is a reason that the family with teenagers cannot purchase a home on my street. If the 80/20 rule is not being met then the parents of the teenager can sue under the Fair Housing Act. If there is a 23 year old on my street then I have someone younger to say hello to.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You and me, Bogie, have been on this Forum for a long time and have witnessed this discussion so many times.

The Federal Housing Act, established in 1968 has a section referred to as HOPA. The Villages must have at least 80% of people over 55 years of age and cannot have anyone living here under 19. Under 19 visitors may stay here no more than a total of 30 days in a calendar year.

This goes for rental homes as well.

No, that is not true. At least 80% of PROPERTIES - must have at least 1 person age 55 or older residing in it.

If (hypothetically because these numbers are easiest to understand) you have 100,000 properties, and 80,000 of them have 1 person age 55 or older living in them, but you have 400,000 PEOPLE living in the Villages, then you have an average of 4 residents per home - with at least 1 of them being 55 or older in 80% of those homes. And that satisfies the law.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Wonder if they actually live in TV. We live in TV but per the post office, we live in Lady Lake. Also, we live in Sumter County. Our neighbor received a summons to appear for jury duty in Lake County. Easiest way to avoid jury duty. "I do not live in Lake County"

Lady Lake exists in both counties.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by JanRoberts

I appreciate that one of my adult children and spouse (37 & 34) could stay with us a few months while moving here from Hawaii and looking for some place adorable to live outside of Orlando. TV was great about and we let all the neighbors on our street know beforehand and they were great about it too. Camp Villages is great for the grandkids too.

The grandkids, if they're under 19 years old, are not allowed to stay longer than 30 days in a calendar year. If they're staying "a few months" then that's against the rules.

If they're just visiting for a few weeks, it's awesome. Great to see kids around here and there - as long as they don't overstay their communal welcome as they apparently have done in Souliere Villas.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

It is tracked. I have spoken to one of the people who do it. It is behind the scenes and occurs during the month between signing the deal and closing. A sale could be disallowed if we ever approach the 80% limit. Tracking is required by law as part of remaining a 55+ community.

Except that it either isn't happening, or isn't happening correctly.

Many older Villagers have passed away and left their properties to their under-55 children. Those under-55 children already have Villagers IDs (since you can have up to 4 ids per property). They own the house, they live in the house, they're under 55, and their over 55 parents, who allowed for that 80% qualification to be valid, no longer exist.

This is not uncommon, it happens.

In addition, private sales that don't involve Properties of The Villages (the developer's agency) are private. The Villages don't get to find out who's moving in, until after the buyer has already purchased the house and moved in. The Developer isn't going to tell them "sorry but you can't live here even though you bought the house fair and square."

This is also not uncommon. It happens.

[Red Rose]

And don’t forget the 40 and 50 year old loser offspring. They are here too.😝

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Except that it either isn't happening, or isn't happening correctly.

Many older Villagers have passed away and left their properties to their under-55 children. Those under-55 children already have Villagers IDs (since you can have up to 4 ids per property). They own the house, they live in the house, they're under 55, and their over 55 parents, who allowed for that 80% qualification to be valid, no longer exist.

This is not uncommon, it happens.

In addition, private sales that don't involve The Villages Hometown Real Estate (the developer's agency) are private. The Villages don't get to find out who's moving in, until after the buyer has already purchased the house and moved in. The Developer isn't going to tell them "sorry but you can't live here even though you bought the house fair and square."

This is also not uncommon. It happens.

To clarify, the developer's real estate sales agency is called "Properties of The Villages". The company "Hometown Property Management" is a private rental company that is not owned by The Villages. Some people assume that the "Hometown" company is part of The Villages.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Except that it either isn't happening, or isn't happening correctly.

Many older Villagers have passed away and left their properties to their under-55 children. Those under-55 children already have Villagers IDs (since you can have up to 4 ids per property). They own the house, they live in the house, they're under 55, and their over 55 parents, who allowed for that 80% qualification to be valid, no longer exist.

This is not uncommon, it happens.

In addition, private sales that don't involve The Villages Hometown Real Estate (the developer's agency) are private. The Villages don't get to find out who's moving in, until after the buyer has already purchased the house and moved in. The Developer isn't going to tell them "sorry but you can't live here even though you bought the house fair and square."

This is also not uncommon. It happens.

Just because something happens doesn't mean it not uncommon...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Except that it either isn't happening, or isn't happening correctly.

Many older Villagers have passed away and left their properties to their under-55 children. Those under-55 children already have Villagers IDs (since you can have up to 4 ids per property). They own the house, they live in the house, they're under 55, and their over 55 parents, who allowed for that 80% qualification to be valid, no longer exist.

This is not uncommon, it happens.

In addition, private sales that don't involve The Villages Hometown Real Estate (the developer's agency) are private. The Villages don't get to find out who's moving in, until after the buyer has already purchased the house and moved in. The Developer isn't going to tell them "sorry but you can't live here even though you bought the house fair and square."

This is also not uncommon. It happens.

I wonder whether sales of Villages properties aren't reviewed by the Developer. IDs are issued by the sales office so the Villages becomes involved at some point. I picked up my mailbox key from the sales office but that may be because my house was listed with them.

The Developer is responsible for monitoring the 80/20 ratio and ensuring it is met. At some point the Developer must have a way to refuse to allow occupancy if there is no resident at least 55+.

The sales people are aware of the deed restriction against children in the house and would refuse to sell to a family. They are also aware of the 80/20 restrictions and they must have a way to check that as well.

But remember, it doesn't matter who owns the home, the requirement concerns who resides in the home.

Plus, none of this really matters if the under 55+ portion is far less than 20%.

[Warcats]

Originally Posted by bcsnave

How come I see a bunch of under 55 people with charges from the Villages?

Does it say what they did?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Every time I have contacted Deed Compliance or Community Standards, the person I am talking to seems to have an attitude that they will do almost anything to avoid enforcing a rule.

Unless you are reporting a person with a little white cross in their garden, then they would be all over it like a fly on you know what!

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

No, that is not true. At least 80% of PROPERTIES - must have at least 1 person age 55 or older residing in it.

If (hypothetically because these numbers are easiest to understand) you have 100,000 properties, and 80,000 of them have 1 person age 55 or older living in them, but you have 400,000 PEOPLE living in the Villages, then you have an average of 4 residents per home - with at least 1 of them being 55 or older in 80% of those homes. And that satisfies the law.

Isn't that exactly what blueash said in post 22 except you added more zeros.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Except that it either isn't happening, or isn't happening correctly.

Many older Villagers have passed away and left their properties to their under-55 children. Those under-55 children already have Villagers IDs (since you can have up to 4 ids per property). They own the house, they live in the house, they're under 55, and their over 55 parents, who allowed for that 80% qualification to be valid, no longer exist.

This is not uncommon, it happens.

In addition, private sales that don't involve The Villages Hometown Real Estate (the developer's agency) are private. The Villages don't get to find out who's moving in, until after the buyer has already purchased the house and moved in. The Developer isn't going to tell them "sorry but you can't live here even though you bought the house fair and square."

This is also not uncommon. It happens.

How do you know that it is not tracked or is done improperly? How do you know that 'The Villages' is not involved and must approve a private sale? How do you know? Assuming does not count.

As long as we are under 20%, then all sales are ok. So, no one has seen a sale get nixed. How does anyone know what that would look like until it happens?