[Fenster]

That’s why.

The biggest offenders.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

Where exactly is your evidence??? It might shock you but you have to show ID to buy a house and there are about 5 other ways to get your age before you close. They do track it. How do I know? When I was 51 I bought my first house here and I asked. In 2014 it was about 8% that were below 55. The other thing
They pointed out is that people age, so in a few years I would be above 55 and fall off that statistic which I am now being 60. And yes if they get to 20% they will stop selling to younger people. I don’t think we are any different than where we were in 2014. Same gripes and misinformation on here now as back then.

I know one couple that are both under age 55. And I don't know a lot of people.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

It is tracked. I have spoken to one of the people who do it. It is behind the scenes and occurs during the month between signing the deal and closing. A sale could be disallowed if we ever approach the 80% limit. Tracking is required by law as part of remaining a 55+ community.

That would be nice, if true.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Fenster

That’s why.

The biggest offenders.

I know about ONE adult child in my village. He is mentally disabled and his parents still care for him... He's a sweetheart...

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I know about ONE adult child in my village. He is mentally disabled and his parents still care for him... He's a sweetheart...

Understandable. I applaud parents who make the commitment to care for a handicapped child.

The opposite seems to be true as well. I know of two homes in our village where an adult child provides care for a parent or parents who would not be able to live independently here in TV without that help. In fact the church we attend is sponsoring a program for just such caregivers as well as spouses who care for an incapacitated spouse (usually the wife caring for an incapacitated husband). It is just getting off the ground. The program is run by a psychiatric nurse who has had extensive experience in this particular area. I'm not completely familiar with the mechanics of the program but it appears to be several things: a type of respite care where a volunteer, after being trained in the needs and procedures of the person in question, will go into the home to stay with the incapacitated person while the primary caregiver (spouse, adult child, whomever) is free for a period of time to pursue his or her own interests, shop, whatever. It appears also to function as a sort of informal support group where experiences and information is shared.

There is never a lack of stories about ne'er-do-well adult kids to move here to sponge off parents and all too often end up afoul of the law in the process. But that other element exists as well. I have no way of knowing for sure but my guess is that the children who are here as legitimate caregivers far outnumber the the sponges. It is good to see a program designed to help them cope with the strain and inconvenience that being such a caregiver entails.

[mtdjed]

An opinion:

1/ The Fair Housing Act was Title 8 part of the Civil Rights act of 1968
2/ The Housing for Older People Act (HOPA) of 1995 amended the Fair Housing Act of1 968
a/ Deleted certain requirements for certain facilities and services for qualified housing for persons 55 and older
b/ Set up system allowing some discrimination by Familial age regarding sales of properties in 55 and over communities

Also, to eliminate issues that might lead to suit over refusal to sell/rent to certain persons under the age of 55. Spells out that requirement regarding age -- (i) at least 80 percent of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older. It makes the Housing Facility or community responsible for maintaining the ratio above.

Now the speculation is how that is done or maintained. The Developer has a goal to maintain the status of an over 55 community which allows them to market to that segment of the population. At some point that responsibility migrates to the community. Perhaps the CDD's.

It would seem that the law specifically benefits the developers, and then the residents only as a byproduct. So, as long as the Developer sells the initial homes, they have control of whom they sell to by age. But, what do they use as their basis for the 80 percent. The whole of the Villages (which gets older each day) or some segment they designate? By law (HOPA) they must track. Could be that over 95% of the homes currently have at least one person over 55. Our community of Caroline at Lake Sumter has around 90 homes and I would guess that 95% have at least 1 person over 55. The Developer could easily keep track of that number even considering sales outside of their control. Likely, they could sell the next 2000 homes to families under 55 years of age without threatening that 80% threshold.

The other part are the covenants regarding persons under 19. I suspect that is a local issue, that might be more of a CDD management issue.

To the OPs concern, yes, we will have the likelihood of many persons under 55 down to age 19 and it would appear that they are entitled to be here. And contrary to some posts, that does not indicate that they are ne're-do-wells.

There also could be some exceptions to the under 19 rule. For example, an owner 55 or older might by some reason become the guardian. Would that owner be required to move to be the guardian. Who administers the exceptions? Would you have any way to overrule by law?

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Lady Lake exists in both counties.

The town of Lady Lake is in Lake County Florida. Have they incorporated land in Sumter or Marion County? Post office Zip Codes don't necessarily define county location.

[Garywt]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You and me, Bogie, have been on this Forum for a long time and have witnessed this discussion so many times.

The Federal Housing Act, established in 1968 has a section referred to as HOPA. The Villages must have at least 80% of people over 55 years of age and cannot have anyone living here under 19. Under 19 visitors may stay here no more than a total of 30 days in a calendar year.

This goes for rental homes as well.

Gracie girl is back. Not to long ago there was a giant manhunt looking for you. Hope all is well.

[Garywt]

The 4 teenagers that had moved into their grandparents home in our neighborhood and had been causing all types of issues and vandalism have moved out. Don’t know if they were told to leave or finally left after the many complaints made and the neighborhood standing up to them but either way they are gone so it can happen.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Are there long term renters who don't have ID cards? I would guess that there are not. Part of the appeal of the Villages is the amenities and renting long term without use of the amenities wouldn't make much sense.

There's plenty of Villagers that never golf, use the pools, or go to the Rec Centers for anything. Maybe it doesn't make any sense to you, but some people just like the other things like the golf cart community thing or the multiple free live music venues every night. I'm on a small street and from what I can tell, multiple households on my street never use any of the amenities that you would need an ID card for.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

It is tracked. I have spoken to one of the people who do it. It is behind the scenes and occurs during the month between signing the deal and closing. A sale could be disallowed if we ever approach the 80% limit. Tracking is required by law as part of remaining a 55+ community.

I don't see how this would work for resales. Would the RE agent have to check with TV to see if there's extra capacity to sell to an under 55 couple every time? Seems doubtful.

I'm aware that there's a law about the 80% rule, I just haven't seen a specific law about requiring all Deed Restricted communities to have it being tracked. I can't imagine that any of the many smaller condo complexes in Florida with 200 units or less have the financial resources to constantly track the demographics of every unit.

[bcsnave]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Understandable.........
The program is run by a psychiatric nurse who has had extensive experience in this particular area. I'm not completely familiar with the mechanics of the program but it appears to be several things: a type of respite care where a volunteer, after being trained in the needs and procedures of the person in question, will go into the home to stay with the incapacitated person while the primary caregiver (spouse, adult child, whomever) is free for a period of time to pursue his or her own interests, shop, whatever. It appears also to function as a sort of informal support group where experiences and information is shared...... It is good to see a program designed to help them cope with the strain and inconvenience that being such a caregiver entails.

Hope that nurse isn't the one I'm thinking of

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

I don't see how this would work for resales. Would the RE agent have to check with TV to see if there's extra capacity to sell to an under 55 couple every time? Seems doubtful.

I'm aware that there's a law about the 80% rule, I just haven't seen a specific law about requiring all Deed Restricted communities to have it being tracked. I can't imagine that any of the many smaller condo complexes in Florida with 200 units or less have the financial resources to constantly track the demographics of every unit.

Not all deed restricted communities, all 55+ communities that don't allow children. In order to legally refuse to have children as permanent residents the community has to show that they are abiding by the HoPA rules.

A smaller condo complex in Florida with 200 units or less can be sued for discrimination in housing if they refuse to allow a family with children to live there UNLESS they can prove, through the HoPA rules, that they are a 55+ community. Those rules require certifying that at least one resident is over 55 in 80% or more of occupied units.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

I don't see how this would work for resales. Would the RE agent have to check with TV to see if there's extra capacity to sell to an under 55 couple every time? Seems doubtful.

I'm aware that there's a law about the 80% rule, I just haven't seen a specific law about requiring all Deed Restricted communities to have it being tracked. I can't imagine that any of the many smaller condo complexes in Florida with 200 units or less have the financial resources to constantly track the demographics of every unit.

I only know what I was told by the lawyer who is involved in the tracking. He told me that all sales are reviewed and that there is a mechanism in place. Remember - selling privately does not neutralize the deed restrictions or the requirements to remain a 55+ community. HOPA says that once the 55+ designation is lost, it cannot be recovered. So, yea, they track it.

As far as costs, a small community would be able to track very easily with little or no costs.

[JGibson]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

I only know what I was told by the lawyer who is involved in the tracking. He told me that all sales are reviewed and that there is a mechanism in place. Remember - selling privately does not neutralize the deed restrictions or the requirements to remain a 55+ community. HOPA says that once the 55+ designation is lost, it cannot be recovered. So, yea, they track it.

As far as costs, a small community would be able to track very easily with little or no costs.

Is there an actual government agency that would do an audit on the age restriction compliance?

Has TV ever been audited for age restriction compliance?

Or is TV governing themselves and they’re on the honor system?

How would they possibly keep track of Airbnb occupants?

TV was able to build sections for families who work in TV is that included in the 80%

Maybe TV keeps track of buyers for legal reasons but in no way with a community this large can they keep track of every household and who is living in it.