[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

There was an interesting column written about McCarthy - but much more broadly about whether anything McCarthy was trumpeting at the time had any truth to it insofar as the left side of politics was concerned. It was written in the Washington Post in 1996 by the late Nicholas von Hoffman, and titled "Was McCarthy right about the left?"

von Hoffman was no friend of right-wingers, and he wrote what he believed. His words ended up getting him fired from CBS's 60 Minutes, actually, when he referred to Nixon as "a dead mouse on the kitchen floor that everyone was afraid to touch and throw in the garbage.”

von Hoffman was a community organizer for Saul Alinksy in the early 60's. von Hoffman was a left-winger, to be sure.

OK, back to the column -

von Hoffman found nothing redeeming in McCarthy's behavior. Here's how he characterized him:



There is a "but..." here, though. The next passage from von Hoffman reads this way:



Last summary:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-5f352acbf5de/

to help make McCarthy out to have any redeeming values is unbelievable . That’s like saying hitler built nice highways or Mussolini made the trains run on time , of course there were communist but painting a brush so wide and destroying so many lives of people could never justify his actions

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So, if you didn’t like that country why didn’t you stay in the other countries? Pawns of any race don’t control how country run. They just make all the sacrifice’s. The rich NO matter what nationality NEVER sacrifice.

what your talking about

[irishwonone]

Agree. NUTS!

[brfree1411@aol.com]

All this nutty talk about things being offensive is not fair. Some of us are offended by the people that are offended with our American Documents from our forefathers. We are equally offended by not being able to celebrate the holidays we grew up with. Why is it that "we" have to give up our liberties because others are offended? I am terribly offended by this !!

[jjombrello]

Very sick, however some of the younger generation probably couldn't read them as they are written in cursive.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by brfree1411@aol.com

All this nutty talk about things being offensive is not fair. Some of us are offended by the people that are offended with our American Documents from our forefathers. We are equally offended by not being able to celebrate the holidays we grew up with. Why is it that "we" have to give up our liberties because others are offended? I am terribly offended by this !!

I heard, read or saw anyone say what you just said.

NOBODY is offended by our American documents, but for a country based on honor and truth and full of folks who want us to stay true, if is offensive to omit any part of our history.


Not sure what holidays you are speaking of, but you sound more offended by our country than any others.

Oh and exactly what liberties have you given up because having our history accurate and true is important to others ???

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by John41

This woke craziness will peak as did the insanity of the French Revolution when the mob turned on each other in a killing frenzy.

I was taught in history class that the French Revolution was about the lower and middle classes overthrowing the upper class that had oppressed them and took away their FREEDOM. I believe that some Marie lady angered them by saying, "Let them eat cake". And some massive, sharp object was a non-digital solution. I hope I got that correct.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

sickening

That seems IMO to be ambiguous. It could apply to both sides of ANY argument.

[Jaydancer]

Originally Posted by DAVES

"the country I grew up in no longer exists." I have movies that prove it never did exist.
We had some 16mm typical home movie kind of stuff that were taken by my uncle.
We never had a 16mm projector so I had never seen them. I was like 4 and my sister like 5. I recall eating those two stick ice pops and both may parents and my grandparents making me go back to pick up the trash that I had tossed. I assumed the streets were cleaner when we were kids. Well my movies show clearly trash blowing around the city streets.

I grew up POOR yet I had a solid family. Perhaps, the fault of my parents. I do not belong in our current world. I was taught if you need something, if you want something you work for it. Failure, simply was not an option to be considered.

Very well said Sir! If we keep this up we shall go back to the Romans, who kept slaves, and threw people to the lions for entertainment, and anyone with Italian in their family tree will have to watch out!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by justjim

Why look at those records in the first place unless you were doing research? Most of us are way past that in our lives. I carried a pocket knife my Grandfather gave me to school for more than twelve years. Times have changed. Arguably for the better or worse depending on your point of view.

Times have ALWAYS changed since before the stone age or when time was indicated on a sundial. One does NOT have to argue about whether times are better or worse. One can look up the US position on world lists of "quality of life" and other universal qualities. Then, look at the US position (in the top 10) after WW2 and then today ( around 30 th). That is about as definitive and mathematical and black and white of a measure - as can be HUMANLY arrived at.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

If these sick screwballs don't like it here let them move to Cuba, Venezuela or even Afghanistan.

Group A might think that group B are screwballs. But, just as likely - group B thinks that group A ARE the screwballs. It is only just tribal anthropology at play.

[Tomptomp]

In Mark Lavin’s book American Marxism he explains that out economy and our history must be destroyed in order to create the socialist society they want.
What is posted is another attempt ( by the woke , not the author of the post ) to erase our history.

[jimjamuser]

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Originally Posted by Bucco

Nothing is being whitewashed? History IS being spun. Statues are being removed, damaged by mindless MOBS. Books are being removed form school libraries.

The Tea Party adopted, "Don't tread on me," as a motto. It would take a book to reply.
History. The Tea Party of Boston was not as simple as taught in school. A tax on tea.
While they did not yet know about germs they knew that you could not safely drink the water in the cities without getting sick. Then as now you need water to live. People drank liquor as the alcohol killed germs. I expect the heroes to me, who wrote the declaration of independence, the constitution etc had a buzz on when they did it.
As to tea, since you boiled the water, that too would bill the germs.

The destruction of the British tea screaming about taxes, was organized by Alexander Hamilton a bit of a scoundrel turned into a hero by history. Hamilton had a warehouse full of tea and he would have been financially ruined by the British tea.

We think, we are indoctrinated as if scoundrels have just been invented.

If I take from that the good part about boiling tea killing germs - I see a situation where if the Native Americans along the Atlantic coast had ONLY drunk tea ( or alcohol )instead of smoking whatever ( in a Peace Pipe), then there would have been so many more Natives around that the white colonists could not fight them. The 2 groups would have had to have diplomatic relations and BOTH would then prosper. I also remember that the early Spaniards brought measles or some other disease with them even before the English Colonists. Too bad that Spaniards and Native Americans did not drink something that needed boiling? There seems like there would be MORE to both those stories???????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I just attended a retreat with very experienced, very educated, very accomplished people (all retired).

The purpose of the retreat was form a support group and try and put together an understanding of todays issues.

A very simple answer emerged.

Younger generations determine goals and future desires. We served this ideal with freedom and prosperity. "THEY" want what they have been taught by their cell phones. It is a form of Communism but you can invent a new word for it if you want. WE are going exactly where "THEY" want. We will have a front row seat to what we know is coming.

I doubt that cell phones spawn Communism. Facebook has an algorithm that pushes people from the ideal middle to the extreme right and left - probably out of pure greed for money and not anything idealistic.

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

to help make McCarthy out to have any redeeming values is unbelievable . That’s like saying hitler built nice highways or Mussolini made the trains run on time , of course there were communist but painting a brush so wide and destroying so many lives of people could never justify his actions

Of course, no clear reading of my post would suggest anyone was justifying McCarthy's actions. I shouldn't have to say as much, but I'm certainly not. And neither was von Hoffman, the columnist.

What the columnist was saying is that McCarthy - almost in spite of himself - was closer to being right about the degree to which communists existed in government than wrong, given what we know today. That doesn't make McCarthy innocent of anything. He should always be judged on his behavior, and to my knowledge nothing has changed in that regard.