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DaleDivine 05-17-2021 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxsan (Post 1945884)
All good except Moyer loop and penellis at Morris. Getting off at Moyer loop (by fire station) is tricky, only one exit road, two lanes!

I agree with Maxsan, coming out of Pinellas pl gate going towards Sarasota and Walmart
is a totally different situation. Going from two lanes on Pinellas Pl to one lane on Moyer, people on the inside lane have to continue around and the outside lane has the option to exit on Moyer. I see people on the inside lane cut other drivers off almost daily going through this RB.
:ohdear::pray::ohdear:

Lottoguy 05-17-2021 08:50 AM

The guy in the left land was doing it correctly. It's amazing to see how many people have no clue on how to navigate a roundabout. This is why you watch that person on your right carefully.

Marty94 05-17-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxsan (Post 1945884)
All good except Moyer loop and penellis at Morris. Getting off at Moyer loop (by fire station) is tricky, on,y one exit road, two lanes!

The Pinellas roundabout is indeed problematic. Many times cars exiting Pinellas gate (which is two lanes) heading toward the firehouse start in the left lane and then decide to exit on the opposite side which indeed is one lane. You have to be prepared that if you are in the right lane, the car to your left is going to cut you off.

DaleDivine 05-17-2021 08:51 AM

I had a friend going through the RB at Pinellas Pl and Buena Vista. She was on Buena Vista in the right lane and made the same move the white SUV did in the OP's video.
The car on the inside hit her and she was given a ticket for cutting in front of the other driver.
:popcorn::popcorn:

Lottoguy 05-17-2021 08:55 AM

A $30.00 dashcam would have ended that argument right away. Buy one asap!

Bogie Shooter 05-17-2021 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 1945968)
I had a friend going through the RB at Pinellas Pl and Buena Vista. She was on Buena Vista in the right lane and made the same move the white SUV did in the OP's video.
The car on the inside hit her and she was given a ticket for cutting in front of the other driver.
:popcorn::popcorn:

Confirmation!

gladesratt1 05-17-2021 10:26 AM

Would like to know what brand of Dash Cam do you have? Looking to get one, and yours seems to have an excellent picture.
Thanks.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-17-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1945742)
I know of roundabouts here in NJ that were built in the last few years that are single lane. High volume too. No issues.

We have some traffic circles in Connecticut, and there's never been issues with them. They're all single-lane circles.

golfing eagles 05-17-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marty94 (Post 1945967)
The Pinellas roundabout is indeed problematic. Many times cars exiting Pinellas gate (which is two lanes) heading toward the firehouse start in the left lane and then decide to exit on the opposite side which indeed is one lane. You have to be prepared that if you are in the right lane, the car to your left is going to cut you off.

You mean proceed legally 180 degrees through the RB in the left(inner) lane, not "cut you off" You have no more right to exit there than the other driver does. This is why you should never drive side by side in a RB. But point taken---this is a design fault of this RB, IMHO.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-17-2021 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxsan (Post 1945884)
All good except Moyer loop and penellis at Morris. Getting off at Moyer loop (by fire station) is tricky, only one exit road, two lanes!

Same with Morse to Paige Place.

Polar Bear 05-17-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1946047)
…you should never drive side by side in a RB…

Bingo. Solves 99% of all roundabout problems. :)

rmd2 05-17-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1945807)
And this is why if they simply made them 1 lane, this issue goes away.

As OBB said up above, if the white SUV had entered at the 2nd entrance instead of the cammer entrance, they could theoretically be in exactly the same place, at exactly the same time, the only difference is that they entered in a different spot.
In that particular case, they'd be perfectly fine with doing exactly what they did as far as the direction, they still probably failed to yield.

Someone is supposed to yield, and the only way to make the yield crash proof is to...NEVER ENTER a RB with traffic. I.E. then what's the point of having two lanes?

If they made them one lane we would be backed up 3 blocks long at these round abouts.

jimjamuser 05-17-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1945503)
It is an absolute certainty that they are idiots. I mean they could not possibly be 75 years old and never have driven in a round about before. Nope, nope, nope...

I wonder if anyone ever tried this solution........merge all the 2 lanes into 1 lane BEFORE they get to a round-a-bout. Then have only 1 lane inside the round-about. Some will say that this will cause very big backups. Then, if there are long backups, that means that there probably needs to be a 4-way traffic light installed. So, in conclusion, use round-a-bouts ( to save the cost of traffic lights) on roads with ONLY light traffic. I welcome other out-of-the-box ideas.

Two Bills 05-17-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1946120)
I wonder if anyone ever tried this solution........merge all the 2 lanes into 1 lane BEFORE they get to a round-a-bout. Then have only 1 lane inside the round-about. Some will say that this will cause very big backups. Then, if there are long backups, that means that there probably needs to be a 4-way traffic light installed. So, in conclusion, use round-a-bouts ( to save the cost of traffic lights) on roads with ONLY light traffic. I welcome other out-of-the-box ideas.

I would suggest, that suggestion stays in the box!

jfkilduff 05-17-2021 01:45 PM

Careful who u call an idiot that maneuver is allowed in TV. However I agree if you’re in the right hand lane u should exit at first exit. Left lane vehicle has a choice. That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

golfing eagles 05-17-2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jfkilduff (Post 1946158)
Careful who u call an idiot that maneuver is allowed in TV. However I agree if you’re in the right hand lane u should exit at first exit. Left lane vehicle has a choice. That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

No, that "maneuver" of going around 270 degrees in the outer lane is NOT ALLOWED, which does in fact make that driver "an idiot". You can exit from the right(outer) lane at EITHER the first or second exit. Left(inner) lane vehicle should exit at the second or third exit. No one should enter when a vehicle is in EITHER lane

That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

Blueblaze 05-17-2021 02:08 PM

Insults?
 
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Originally Posted by markandjane (Post 1945863)
Mmm, I think you need to look at the video again before you start throwing insults. The white car can go right or straight, but not left. The car with the camera can go left or go straight, and he went straight. He's not required to signal to go straight...not sure what your eyes were looking at.

Insults? I was merely using the OP's own language to ask him which "idiot" he was complaining about. There seemed to be plenty of blame to go around, including the guy who thought it was a good idea to film his neighbors so he could ridicule them online.

But I'm truly sorry if I came off insulting. I was going for "ironic". I guess I hoped that echoing the OP's own language might cause people to realize that it's not necessary to be insulting in order to educate (although I don't think education was what the OP had on his mind when he posted this thread about "idiots"!).

Frankly, as I've already said, I get a little tired of all the threads created for the sole purpose of complaining about our neighbors. I thought this was supposed to be "America's Friendliest Hometown".

jmaccallum 05-17-2021 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1945535)
Before too many feet are inserted into mouths study this. I would have published the entire pamphlet but the majority wouldn't read it anyway.

Attachment 89508

If you are not supposed to continue around the circle from the outer lane, then why is there an arrow pointing leftward in the outer lane by the number 7 on the picture, and a dotted white line as you approach that point in the outer lane? Of course I agree with everybody else: When in the Circle, Watch Out!

golfing eagles 05-17-2021 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaccallum (Post 1946171)
If you are not supposed to continue around the circle from the outer lane, then why is there an arrow pointing leftward in the outer lane by the number 7 on the picture, and a dotted white line as you approach that point in the outer lane? Of course I agree with everybody else: When in the Circle, Watch Out!

For the people who entered at the 3 o'clock position and are permitted to go straight across in the right lane. Just another reason not to enter a RB if there is traffic in EITHER lane

JMintzer 05-17-2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadywood (Post 1946169)
Insults? I was merely using the OP's own language to ask him which "idiot" he was complaining about. There seemed to be plenty of blame to go around, including the guy who thought it was a good idea to film his neighbors so he could ridicule them online.

Who did that?

Film his neighbors so he could ridicule them?

He posted a clip from his dashcam, something many people use as a form of protection.

He then simply added a voiceover to a clip that showed someone doing something stupid...

You can find dashcam videos all over youtube showing idiots being idiots...

mike234 05-17-2021 03:16 PM

you actually film people doing this?
do you also film bad parking?
do you film deed violations?
people filming other people can be dangerous....
maybe you are the one reporting bad things to the paper?

Barborv 05-17-2021 03:46 PM

I rent my place when I'm not in TV. I keep the round about pamphlet on the hallway table and on the coffee table in the living room.

thevillages2013 05-17-2021 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 1945793)
Left lane, option to take first exit, or continue around the circle to next exit, or go around another time because you missed your exit. The right lane is for first exit safely.

Totally wrong ! Left or inside lane is NEVER for the first exit

golfing eagles 05-17-2021 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 1946209)
Totally wrong ! Left or inside lane is NEVER for the first exit

Wish I had said that! Oh, wait a minute, I did. (post #39)

Marathon Man 05-17-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1946162)
No, that "maneuver" of going around 270 degrees in the outer lane is NOT ALLOWED, which does in fact make that driver "an idiot". You can exit from the right(outer) lane at EITHER the first or second exit. Left(inner) lane vehicle should exit at the second or third exit. No one should enter when a vehicle is in EITHER lane

That’s the correct way to navigate a roundabout

Not allowed by what? The law? Notice all those signs are green? That means information, not traffic law. From a legal stand point, once you are in a roundabout, does it matter where you came from?

We should all be following the green signs. But, does "not allowed" apply?

golfing eagles 05-17-2021 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1946225)
Not allowed by what? The law? Notice all those signs are green? That means information, not traffic law. From a legal stand point, once you are in a roundabout, does it matter where you came from?

We should all be following the green signs. But, does "not allowed" apply?

See my post #56, from the Florida DMV.

jimjamuser 05-17-2021 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1946127)
I would suggest, that suggestion stays in the box!

OK, that's an opinion, but it would have been more polite to explain WHY it was such a bad idea. The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems. They only seem to work well when traffic density is low. Therefore, all suggestions for change should be considered. I always liked one-way streets like the way Washington D.C. was set up. For example, it MIGHT (?) work to have all 4 lanes of Morse go (say ) SOUTH and all 4 lanes of Buena Vista go (say) NORTH. Then the smaller east / west roads could also be made one way. I believe that one-way roads tend to have fewer accidents.

MizJodi 05-17-2021 05:20 PM

Is there anywhere in the US where it is legal to make a left hand turn from the right hand lane?

Jeanne wilson 05-17-2021 06:25 PM

Roundabouts should only have one lane, to turn from the left lane and make a right turn is asking for an accident. In Ohio, they are one lane.

rustyp 05-17-2021 06:36 PM

10000+ views so far. Roundabouts never seem to loose the luster no matter how many "Sumter County Sherriff" pamphlets are published. No problem - don't argue here - argue your standpoint to the Sherriff Deputy that hands you the traffic violation. I'm too lazy tonight to research but my guess is dog poop is still the number one thread.

dewilson58 05-17-2021 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1946253)
10000+ views so far. Roundabouts never seem to loose the luster no matter how many "Sumter County Sherriff" pamphlets are published. No problem - don't argue here - argue your standpoint to the Sherriff Deputy that hands you the traffic violation. I'm too lazy tonight to research but my guess is dog poop is still the number one thread.

We need a poop pamphlet.

JMintzer 05-17-2021 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mike234 (Post 1946190)
you actually film people doing this?
do you also film bad parking?
do you film deed violations?
people filming other people can be dangerous....
maybe you are the one reporting bad things to the paper?

Did you bother to read the thread before passing judgement?

Once again, many people drive w/a "dash-cam" mounted to their front mirror. They are quite popular in parts of Europe due the the explosion of people causing accidents and then trying to blame the other party. It's a huge problem over there...

So, to explain what happened (once again), the OP was driving, minding his own business, when this happened right in front of him.

Since he was driving with his dash-cam on ( a smart move, IMHO), he caught the infraction on his dash-cam...

He then added a voice over, explaining what had happened and posted it here...

If you think he was actually following people, just to videotape them, maybe your paranoia meter needs an adjustment...

JMintzer 05-17-2021 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1946231)
OK, that's an opinion, but it would have been more polite to explain WHY it was such a bad idea. The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems. They only seem to work well when traffic density is low. Therefore, all suggestions for change should be considered. I always liked one-way streets like the way Washington D.C. was set up. For example, it MIGHT (?) work to have all 4 lanes of Morse go (say ) SOUTH and all 4 lanes of Buena Vista go (say) NORTH. Then the smaller east / west roads could also be made one way. I believe that one-way roads tend to have fewer accidents.

Washington DC was set up by L'Enfant while taking Mushrooms... I'm positive about that...

A grid system, with multiple, randomly placed wagon wheel like circles, with just a sprinkling of diagonal avenues, thrown in for sh!ts and giggles...

Malsua 05-18-2021 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1946291)
Did you bother to read the thread before passing judgement?

Once again, many people drive w/a "dash-cam" mounted to their front mirror. They are quite popular in parts of Europe due the the explosion of people causing accidents and then trying to blame the other party. It's a huge problem over there...

So, to explain what happened (once again), the OP was driving, minding his own business, when this happened right in front of him.

Since he was driving with his dash-cam on ( a smart move, IMHO), he caught the infraction on his dash-cam...

He then added a voice over, explaining what had happened and posted it here...

If you think he was actually following people, just to videotape them, maybe your paranoia meter needs an adjustment...

I've been running dash cams in my cars since that Russian Meteor in 2013.

Driving north from TV last week I caught this on the dash cam. It's a 4k dashcam so there's a lot of real estate to work with and any movement is done post processing in Adobe Premiere.
Vehicle Fire, Interstate 95 North Bound, somewhere in South Carolina. 5-8-21 - YouTube

Shooting star and flash on one trip back from the Airport on my Dashcam.
Shooting Star and flash - YouTube Look in the upper right in the early part.

Another one here:
Shooting Star - YouTube

I've got a ton more dashcam videos on my channel. I also post BBQ and other things.

Polar Bear 05-18-2021 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1946231)
…The round-a-bouts have ALWAYS been problems and will ALWAYS be problems...

If that’s your opinion, of course you are entitled to it and it is true for you. But it is far from fact and has been proven wrong by many studies.

I'm Popeye! 05-18-2021 08:30 AM

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Here is the problem, which gives the right to that white SUV driver to cross the broken line.
The lane-line should be a solid white line not a broken line, IMHO.

Joe C. 05-18-2021 08:41 AM

The dotted line allows the driver to change lanes (go left), but the onus is on that driver to be sure that the other lane is clear for him to make the change. Anytime a driver makes a lane change, he puts himself in the “liability zone “.

Bill14564 05-18-2021 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 1946477)
Here is the problem, which gives the right to that white SUV driver to cross the broken line.
The lane-line should be a solid white line not a broken line, IMHO.

The broken line enables drivers entering from the right to continue straight. The driver in the white car, who entered previously and not from the right, must go straight and exit the circle.

As has been explained in several posts before, it really is NOT/NOT that hard to understand. The rules are logical and are clearly marked on every entrance to every circle in the Villages. Many of these comments seem to be struggling hard to find justifications for bad habits.

BlackhawksFan 05-18-2021 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1945932)
News flash nobody else in country does either. So, Bostonite’s aren’t special. :)

It's Bostonian's.

JMintzer 05-18-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackhawksFan (Post 1946503)
It's Bostonian's.

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