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Good experience with our Star Cart

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Originally Posted by Gunny2403 (Post 2027455)

Star is a Chinese product. I would be concerned about getting parts for repair.

Star Carts are assembled in Greenville, SC, USA. Some of the parts are made in China, plus other countries, as are the parts for all or nearly all other golf carts.
We purchased a new Star Cart in 2010, after reading as many reviews of them as I could find.. I found that the nay sayers had not actually owned a Star Cart, while, almost without exception, those who had actually owned one had positive things to say. We have had very good service from our Star, also from the Star dealers, and have had no trouble getting the few parts we have needed. We've had no problems with range, we live in the central part of TV, and have driven the cart to the Nancy Lopez area, golfed there, and since the new bridges, have gone to the Fenney area and back with charge to spare. The original set of batteries lasted 6 years. The second set disappointed us by lasting only 3 years. They were Trojans, supposedly same as original, however, I was later told that Trojan company had been sold, & were then making inferior products. I now have a set of Deka batteries just under 2 years, so far so good, will have to see how they last. When we purchased the cart, the dealer gave us a great deal on a battery water fill system, that works great, we water about once a month, takes less than a minute. Uses about a gallon per year of distilled water.
In the next couple of years or so, I think we will be shopping the new Lithium Ion battery options. I think I like the Evolution as it appears to be more cart for the money, however I expect to look at several brands. Really appreciate this discussion, especially the experiences with the various brands of golf carts with Lithium batteries.

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2027465)

You run out of gas on some cart path somewhere, and it's a relatively easy matter for someone to get some gas to you. I'm thinking running out of electricity under the same scenario would be an entirely different matter.

That is what Kart-Aide is for.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces (Post 2027479)

A jerky, smelly, noisy, hot cart that has NO guts? M'kay

I am given a Yamaha Quiet Tech gas cart as a loaner when I bring my electric (not Lithium batteries) Yamaha cart in for annual maintenance. I honestly can not get a Quiet Tech cart to have a smooth start, no matter how much I try. I've been told it is "operator error". For me, it is "jerky". It is smelly and definitely noisy compared to my electric cart. Hubby and I do not play golf so there is never a need for long distance range that the gas carts offer.

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Originally Posted by Cneigoot (Post 2027622)

Please do yourself a service and check out the evolution golf carts at Village Discount Golf. I bought mine 2 months ago and absolutely loved it! Also, I think that they are less expensive than some of the other electric golf carts made by brand names like Yamaha Etc. The guy I worked with was called Ron Evans. They will work with you on a good deal. Good luck!

Do the Evolution golf carts have self cancelling directionals? That is one feature of my electric Yamaha that was not offered by other cart manufacturers other than Par Car at the time. We did not want a Par Car so we purchased the Yamaha. I will not own a golf cart without those self cancelling directionals.

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I noticed you forgot to name the "non-Tesla" sources.....Did you hit the reply button too soon????

Happy?

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?

Thanks for the link which you post to support your contention that Tesla does not recycle 60% of their lithium batteries as a poster wrote. I read the link. Every single story on that website is an anti-Tesla story.
And even given that bias, the article says:

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Tesla says that it recycles 60 percent of the components from its lithium-ion batteries once they’ve reached end of life.

Then further in the story, which is filled with links appears this sentence:

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Unfortunately, the majority of dead lithium-ion batteries end up in a landfill or get stored for long periods of time.

There is no link, no reference and no evidence presented, just a sentence.
Elsewhere in the article is a link to a story on Medium. Click HERE to go to that story.

In that story it is reported that 60% of Tesla batteries are recycled and additionally 10% are re-used in other applications so that means 70% of the batteries do not go into waste.

The gist of all this is that lithium batteries in Teslas are aggressively being handled in a green manner, but also a cost reducing manner. Ultimately if recycling didn't make dollar sense it wouldn't be happening. If you want to hate on Musk, go ahead. If you want to hate on lithium carts, go ahead. But to attack lithium carts because their batteries cannot be recycled and something something Tesla, is not accurate, as proven by the link you provided.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2028338)

It's because the engine stops when you come to a full stop. That reminds me of our first test drive of ANY golf cart when me moved down here in 2017. It was a Yahmamamahah and every time I STOPPED the engine (LOL or so I thought) STALLED. Drove me nuts and that alone eliminated the gasser for me. I absolutely HATE that. I have the same "feature" on my car which I have to disable every time I turn the key. I actually find it dangerous when having to merge into heavy or fast moving traffic from a stop in my CAR.

We went to buy an Ez-Go lithium this week. The only one the Villages carries is the Sirrius & we were told it can’t be set over 20 mph. Sometimes you need the little extra mph for passing. The Star can be set to 23mph. We’re still trying to decide what to buy & where to get it.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2028355)

I agree but you can get around that with a $15 beeper that beeps so loud when you turn on your signals you'd have to be totally deaf not to hear it AND/OR an LED strip on the front left and right pillars that can be seen even in blazing sunlight.

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Originally Posted by Shadow8IA (Post 2028842)

They might be telling you that for legal reasons as well as liability reasons because if they do that the cart is no longer considered a golf cart by Florida law. If THE DEALER DOES IT, no matter what disclaimer you sign they are breaking the law. Once you get it, Google is your friend.

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Originally Posted by jmaccallum (Post 2027472)

EZGO has two 72 volt electric cart versions, Elite Lithium and and Deep Cycle (the one you water). Comparisons:

Both are 72 volt, however the Elite Lithium actually runs on a 56 volt system. The Deep Cycle is a true 72 volt system.

The Elite Lithium has a 11.7 hp (8.7 kW) motor. The Deep Cycle has a whopping 22.4 hp (16.7 kW) motor. For reference, gas carts have 13.5 hp motors. Deep Cycle power smokes a gas cart without smoking.

Both have AC controllers. The Elite has a 235 amp while the DeepCycle has a whopping 350 amp. More torque with the Deep Cycle, but both blow away the measly torque of a gas cart.

Both have direct drive motor shaft versus a clutch on gas carts. That’s why they get up and go so quick unless waiting behind a gas cart to slooowly get going especially up hills - say we have no hills in Florida - just get behind a gas cart when coming out of a tunnel or going across one of the big bridges, especially Spanish Springs!

The Elite Lithium requires no battery maintenance. The Deep Cycle requires watering. Watering once a month takes about 20 minutes or less than 5 minutes if you fork out $400 at the start for a watering kit. Then it’s less time and less messy than fueling up a gas cart.

Battery(ies) for both carts will last 7-8 years if taken care of - mainly watering Deep Cycle. At 5 years, cost to replace batteries on Deep Cycle is break even with gas cart’s fuel and maintenance over the same period. Get eight years out of the batteries and you are about $800 to $1,000 less than a gas cart over the same period.

Distance of travel will be about 25% more with Deep Cycle as compared to the Elite Lithium. Both will go from Spanish Springs to Fenny, play 18 holes of golf, and sight see on the way home with a lot of charge to spare.

Never visit a gas station with either, just plug in at home each night.

Cost per mile is about 2 cents for both versus 8 cents for a gas cart (does not include gas cart maintenance).

And, keep in mind these are not the 48 volt electric carts that formed most peoples opinion on electric carts. These are 72 volt, high torque, powerful, low maintenance carts with exceptional range.

As far as EZGO as a company, they are over 3 times bigger than their closest competitor.

I’m partial to the EZGO 72 volt Deep Cycle because I have a 2018. Best performing cart I’ve ever had. No maintenance except tire pressure and battery watering (get the watering kit). However, both are great carts. Smooth quiet ride, and no stink!

Hope this helps :popcorn:

And with my 2021 Yamaha gas I can make 2 rounds trips to Disney (not legally) and a round of golf at Havana with no worries.

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2029292)

Those loud directionals drive me crazy. I can hear them on carts that are clear across the road. Yikes....so loud. The self canceling directionals on my cart are silent but the cart has visible yellow LED lights at eye level on the pillars to let me know the directional is activated.