[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

There is only one word to describe those who would buy/rent on the square where they know music and crowds will be and then complain about noise, STUPID!
Back where we came from there was a dirt track car race track where locals ran their cars. It was in the middle of no where and had been there for years. Eventually the city grew and subdivisions appeared on the former farm land surrounding the race track. The new residents didn't practice due diligence and check out the area before buying their home and quickly discovered the race track on race night created a lot of noise. They tried to get it shut down but their efforts failed. There are consequences for being stupid.

Seen that number times with gun ranges and drag strips. Most cases they get them shut down.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by topspinmo

seen that number times with gun ranges and drag strips. Most cases they get them shut down.

that is exactly the point. The p. I a 911 noise complaints will drive local police and authorities to take action vs the squares participants. How many times have you seen airport neighborhoods rise up vs plane noise when they knew the inherent risks before they bought their homes. We have to create a zone where these complaints are automatically dismissed. The new residents must be compelled, by signing a waiver, at their closings.

[Uncle Buck]

They are New Yorking The Villages.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Yep, just where I want park my car where drunks will be pulling in and out and milling around my car. Probably park in the back I would imagine?

As I said.
'Where the people on the ground floor park.'
ie. business occupants.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by JoMar

It still amazes me how people fight to have growth stop. How anti-business residents become when they disagree with growth. I wonder if the businesses in the town squares are in favor of blocking potential customers. I wonder if any of business owners were at the meeting. I wonder if the residents challenges are satisfactory will their behaviour change to make it profitable for the businesses in the squares or will they return to doing what they always did? What is the population of the Spanish Springs area and what is the apartment capacity and will it really make a difference in anything?

I 100% agree. People are complaining that we are losing restaurants in the square, yet they try to block adding 2nd story apartments that will ADD customers to keep the restaurants in business!! Converting the 2nd floor in the square to apartments takes nothing away from villagers.
Maybe we should ask businesses on the square what they would like.

[vinnytalk]

My concern is the removing of Country Clubs, less for us to visit and enjoy.
More apartments more people , you will never get to watch another square show unless you get by 4PM to save your seat.
The restaurants and bowling alleys closing due to high rents especially during the conoravirus?
We the HO' s will lose out on the benefits while the Morse family gets richer , she will come a point where this is no the place to live and the home values is go down.
Only my opinion

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by vinnytalk

My concern is the removing of Country Clubs, less for us to visit and enjoy.
More apartments more people , you will never get to watch another square show unless you get by 4PM to save your seat.
The restaurants and bowling alleys closing due to high rents especially during the conoravirus?
We the HO' s will lose out on the benefits while the Morse family gets richer , she will come a point where this is no the place to live and the home values is go down.
Only my opinion

Sell quick and move away before it's too late.

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by vinnytalk

My concern is the removing of Country Clubs, less for us to visit and enjoy.
More apartments more people , you will never get to watch another square show unless you get by 4PM to save your seat.
The restaurants and bowling alleys closing due to high rents especially during the conoravirus?
We the HO' s will lose out on the benefits while the Morse family gets richer , she will come a point where this is no the place to live and the home values is go down.
Only my opinion

Well ya can’t save a seat unless your in it.
Didn’t the governor close the restaurants, and businesses?
The reason the business are not rebounding is too many are not either ordering to go or dining in. We eat out or take out the same this year as last year.

Those who have stayed in their homes waiting for the vaccine, may find out they didn’t live long enough to get in line. Then Covid could evolve to a totally different strain.
The flu vaccine still doesn’t protect from all strains, and look how long that been around.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Like Hacienda Hills I predict Cane Garden will be the next CC demolished and turned into apartments. How many of you were here when numerous executive courses had restaurants ? Silver Lake, Chula Vista, and El Santiago off the top of my head.

And how profitable were those restaurants.

I hear some people complain about the Silver Lake restaurant being turned into a rec center. I wonder how often those same people ate there. It also seems a bit silly to have a restaurant at that location when there is OBH Country Club a half mile away.

Why have a restaurant at Chula Vista when it is so close to Town Square?

I'm going to guess that the restaurant at El Santiago wasn't very successful and Glenview is a mile and a half away.

If these places were all that popular and profitable, they wouldn't have been closed.

It's the same for Hacienda Hills CC. It was never busy and the clientele all seemed to be ninety years old.

People have to remember that these places are all businesses and are there to make money. They are not there for the pleasure of the residents. Yes, residents enjoy having some of these places but it is up to the residents to support them. if they are not sufficiently supported, the owners will find other use for the property.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

And how profitable were those restaurants.

I hear some people complain about the Silver Lake restaurant being turned into a rec center. I wonder how often those same people ate there. It also seems a bit silly to have a restaurant at that location when there is OBH Country Club a half mile away.

Why have a restaurant at Chula Vista when it is so close to Town Square?

I'm going to guess that the restaurant at El Santiago wasn't very successful and Glenview is a mile and a half away.

If these places were all that popular and profitable, they wouldn't have been closed.

It's the same for Hacienda Hills CC. It was never busy and the clientele all seemed to be ninety years old.

People have to remember that these places are all businesses and are there to make money. They are not there for the pleasure of the residents. Yes, residents enjoy having some of these places but it is up to the residents to support them. if they are not sufficiently supported, the owners will find other use for the property.

I agree - that's the point. The developer is leasing out the CC restaurants at a fixed rate and the lessee is the one that does or doesn't make a profit dependent upon traffic flow (and the success rate of policing those lemon water drinkers). My guess is turning these facilities into high end apartments will yield much more profit with less headaches for the developer. When remodel time comes why not convert to the more profitable endeavor ? As many point out here the developer is in business to make money. Might as well maximize it. Goodbye Cane Garden - The restaurants are right down the street at Sumter Landing Square. Any predictions on which CC gets turned into apartments after Cane Garden ?

[mulligan]

Originally Posted by bargee

Just watch out for zoning changes at the Polo Field

Why ??

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

I 100% agree. People are complaining that we are losing restaurants in the square, yet they try to block adding 2nd story apartments that will ADD customers to keep the restaurants in business!! Converting the 2nd floor in the square to apartments takes nothing away from villagers.
Maybe we should ask businesses on the square what they would like.

If a restaurant is lousy it makes no difference how close people live to it, it won't help them except maybe for an initial visit. If a restaurant is GOOD people will come from all around to go there.

[alwann]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I agree - that's the point. The developer is leasing out the CC restaurants at a fixed rate and the lessee is the one that does or doesn't make a profit dependent upon traffic flow (and the success rate of policing those lemon water drinkers). My guess is turning these facilities into high end apartments will yield much more profit with less headaches for the developer. When remodel time comes why not convert to the more profitable endeavor ? As many point out here the developer is in business to make money. Might as well maximize it. Goodbye Cane Garden - The restaurants are right down the street at Sumter Landing Square. Any predictions on which CC gets turned into apartments after Cane Garden ?

What's up with Cane Garden? LSL is two miles away, so not exactly just down (up) the road.

[EdFNJ]

N/M, old news.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by alwann

What's up with Cane Garden? LSL is two miles away, so not exactly just down (up) the road.

As other posters have pointed out Cane Garden is in need of a remodel job - outdated and showing much wear. Hacienda Hills was a couple miles from Spanish Springs downtown and it came down. Given the HH move why wouldn't the developer follow suit with other CC's ?