We who already live in Tamarind Grove do this already! I would love direct access by cart to Pinellas shopping but that would allow outsiders to access our multi modal paths & who do you suppose would pay for the repairs following excess usage?
Incidentally the plans for Trailwinds were approved 3 yrs ago but no sod has been turned as yet & I understand there is no interest in it currently.

I am talking about the 800 extra golf carts that would be coming through Tamarind Grove, and the possible taking down of trees to bring that cart path through the TG pool park.

If they want to add 800 additional houses, the traffic should have its own routing and not come through our tiny neighborhood.

And the people in those houses would have to go around their elbows to get to their noses, just to get to a grocery store and pharmacy. Can't think that would be a big draw for them. A cart tunnel under 466A into Pinellas... How would that allow non Villagers onto TV cart paths? I don't think Wildwood has any carts.

Is this any different situation than all 100 thousand residents going through the neighborhood on the historic side to access Lowes and Walmart through the Berlin Wall plus trying to keep outsiders out?

I've never gone to Lowes or Walmart (441) in a golf cart. And I suspect the vast majority of the 100k don't use carts to get there. I know 1 person who uses his cart.

There is already a precedent with up to 1800 carts a day going through Azteca Loop cutting into Savannah Centre to access the shopping at Southern Trace then South towards Brownwood & all places in between.
Also permits access out towards Nancy Lopez & Mulberry.
Lots of people travelling quite long distances to golf courses, Rec centres & shopping.
Maybe a couple of trees would have to be removed to accomodate cart path but the Villages always do their best to retain trees whenever possible.
I agree that TGR St. Charles junction would require some traffic control, but that is not beyond management.
I believe that the Villages plan would have been the best we could have had.
Lets not be NIMBY's
Wildwood may already have a golf cart ordinance.

I honestly believe that TV building on that property will eventually come to pass. Everyone's trying to save face; the Developer won't bend and neither will the Wildwood governing body, but business owners in Wildwood should be putting pressure on the powers to be. Only time will tell. I certainly don't believe for a minute that we are near build-out. This is just my opinion.

There were several beautiful live oaks in the Fruitland Park development. One day they were all gone. Poof. Maybe in the past they tried to save them.

People are traveling long, indirect distances because not enough tunnels are being provided, so they have no choice. If I were really committed to traveling everywhere in a golf cart, I would not buy in those areas. In this particular case, it's really inexcusable, IMO. The developers always say the goods and services will come to the new areas. In this case it's already there, across the street. Yet they would have to go miles out of their way to access it. What are they thinking? It has to be a dollar thing.

I appreciate everything TV is and all that the developer has done but I don't feel they "always do their best to retain trees." We love going up Buena Vista to Lake Sumter Landing just to drive through an area with all those lovely old trees.

IMO: people move here and they have no idea how to get from point A to point B. They see their new house and they see the shopping and don't realize what a circuitous route they must take to get there. The salespeople probably don't explain it to them, unless asked. Just my opinion.

I often wonder if people that feel this way would love to look at that lovely old trees if they were dumping their crap all over their roof and yard and preventing grass from growing on their lawns.

As far as I'm concerned, those trees should be restricted to parks and other undeveloped areas and be kept out of residential areas. They ruin homes and home sites. I looked at several nice homes before I bought and as soon as I saw on of those trees I walked away.

They are also no bargain for other residents on the same street or block.

I agree, it's very nice to take a walk through some of the parks and look at these huge trees, but I would not want one within 100 yards of my house.

And I have never gone to Pinellas Plaza by golf cart. And I suspect the vast majority of the 100K have not also. The point was why would it be OK for one neighborhood VS another? There are many situations in The Villages where major golf cart traffic cuts through neighborhoods.

I agree. But it usually involves major roads rather than smaller neighborhood streets.

Not true at all. I can name a multitude of places right off the top of my head. Here is one - the villa neighborhood right behind the Savanah center where there is a cut from that neighborhood into the Savanah parking lot to get to the tunnel. There are many places like that in The Villages.

Name one that takes 800 golf carts miles out of their way through a tiny neighborhood to double back to get to a shopping plaza they could have built a tunnel to. I'm glad you're so knowledgeable about numerous small neighborhoods in TV, but I invite you to come over to the Tamarind Grove Pool/postal center and check out the havoc this would cause.

And I'm done.

I can understand people not wanting them in their yards, but you have to admit that the further south you go beyond 466A, the more the land was just automatically cleared to facilitate building. The TG park is a beautiful exception, and I was hoping they would save those few trees in the Fruitland Park section and design some postal stations or parks/pools around them. It doesn't take much imagination to do that. This mowing and clearing of the land harkens back to the way they used to build suburban housing developments in the '70s and '80s. We called it scrape and burn.

Oh, I said I was done. Whoops. Guess I wasn't.

I blame the "scrape and burn" method on the county, although developers do what's easy and cost effective. They don't care what they take out as long as it's convenient for their "master plan.".

Counties need to have laws that protect these trees and they need to be marked. Developers who take them out anyway, need to be fined heavily and not just a simple slap on the wrist.

Even though trees must be planted in Fruitland Park according to code, the new trees will only have a caliper of, perhaps, 2-3 inches, not unlike a stick.
Once built, Fruitland Park will still look like a wasteland for a number of years until the trees mature.

And I do remember reading that one of the problems with Wildwood is that TV wanted to be exempt from their tree ordinance.

Thanks for the invite but I suggest you will get farther inviting your district rep to observe. As far as "name one" - I never counted golf carts using a cut. Besides what would I count - carts / hour, day week ? Surely all 800 aren't out there at the same time. The cut I mentioned is so bad they installed three speed bumps down the 3 block stretch of road. Does that count for naming something?

I agree.

Seniors and large oaks don't mix well
 

I agree. Big oaks/Magnolias are fine but not in my yard. We had several large trees in our yard 30 years ago but I was much younger then! :beer3:

I absolutely love the trees As well ..life in all its forms but not at any and all costs. Real problems need real solutions not endless complaining, take it to the powers that be.

And, if you hate beautiful big trees and the maintenance in the fall they may require, don't buy a home in that area...some here mentioned Fruitland Park was scalped of all its beauty.

I agree.

I love nature but I am not a tree hugger. In fact I support the pipeline.
I have learned in 75 years on this earth that we must be practical.

Fruitland Parks scalping will quickly grow into beauty. Those of us who have been here for several year can attest to how FAST bushes and trees grow.

They may not have tall oaks, but they will have beauty. There is all kinds of beautiful. Even an old woman can be beautiful. Sweetie told me that.

You are making my case against the development of this land without providing adequate access & egress.

Your sweetie is a wise man, and a keeper.

Lady Lake
 

I don't recall the details but I read that long ago when TV set up partly in Lady Lake a dispute arose between the city of Lady Lake and TV. The dispute was resolved when TV stacked the town council with Village residents, kicked out the Lady Lake members and resolved the issue to the satisfaction of TV.

The Mayor of Wildwood may be wrong, but he has a point. If Wildwood opens the door to TV even a crack, the tail will soon be wagging the dog. If he let that many Village homes in Wildwood, the character of Wildwood would not long be independently determined by Wildwood residents. You know that those Villagers wold always be thinking of themselves as Villagers not members of the city of Wildwood.

Wildwood Florida has been making decisions for themselves since 1877. Now, who should be in charge of the future of The Villages, them or us? I'm just sayin.

Bumper sticker: "Welcome to Florida; but we don't care how you did it up north."

Or something like that.

Wildwood is giving up a potential $million plus in tax revenue a year. If the land goes undeveloped for a few more year, that is a significant lost to its citizens. The down town area needs to be cleaned up. The additional revenue could help.

Funny I have yet to see a riot in wildwood, Brownwood, or Spanish springs. Crime is everywhere and committed by every race and nationality, not all from wildwood.

Thank you. The voice of reason. :bigbow:

Hooray for Wildwood!!!! The Villages is too damn big already!!!!

The Widwood property will be developed . A knee jerk reaction against TV will leave the oppurtunity for mxed use - commercial, multi family, mid or high rise appartments (posssibly section 8) and much more on this property. The possibility of greater population density is a real concern. So TV does not develop the site but the outcome creates more people , more traffic, more noise -on and on .What a great outcome.:MOJE_whot:

Why do you say it was a knee jerk reaction against TV? My understanding is that Morse pulled out, not Wildwood. Wildwood was just sticking with their restrictions. Sounds like they were being consistent, not reacting. No one builds higher density than Morse. Likely any other development will be LESS homes, less traffic, and less noise. I'm glad Morse pulled out. Now the TV amenities won't be even more crowded.

I just learned what a Contrarian is, someone who enjoys bringing up...on the other hand such and such could/would/did happen. Sometimes called an outlaw.

Wildwood wasn't sticking with their restrictions, they were trying to accomplish what Fruitland Park couldn't. And they didn't.

So now they don't have what Fruitland Park has. Nice homes and a bigger tax base without having to spend money to build schools.

You have to get up MIGHTY early in the morning to get ahead of The Villages, Inc. They are MY team.

Go Villages. I like what you are doin' and what you aren't doin' too.

I like what they aren't doing too! Very much so. And the fact that they just sent something around claiming they are done building makes me even more hopeful.

Apartments for one would add significantly more density .Mid rise condos, ditto. In both cases, more school rooms would be required by statute.

I too have not seen any riots in the squares to date, but that does not mean we could not see one at some point. Evidently; all it takes is a police officer shooting an unarmed 18 year old guy (I believe that guy had punched the officer in the face, as the officer inquired about the theft the guy had committed at a convenience store a few minutes earlier, and then the guy charged at the officer while the officers weapon was drawn).

While crime might be committed everywhere and by every race and nationality, a person would need to bury their head in the sand not to realize; some places have more crime than others.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ting.html?_r=0

List of United States cities by crime rate (2012) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No need to denigrate someone who doesn't agree with your position. I know you think the villages is the end all be all, but some people think over development isn't progress. Life isn't all about money.