[Dantes]

Maybe horse’s will make a come back

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Could this someday be coming Florida or TV?
At our age, I doubt we will see the day.

MSN

That will never happen. Nor will the green new deal its a fantasy

[davem4616]

I read all this talk about the move to electric vehicles and yet, no one is talking about what the plan is to co-exist or phase out the 'soon to be called legacy vehicles' that run on gas

I can't wait to hear some bonehead tell me that I have to convert my car into an electric, or I can't drive it

can't wait to hear the plan for switching Air Force One over to electric

ha, wait 'til all the electric bills start including road taxes, like the gas pumps do

collectors and many others will continue to hold on to them and expect to be able to use them....I don't see them being outlawed, but some idiot will try to tax the heck out of them

software companies are able to get away with no longer supporting legacy software that are too many revisions back, but I suspect that there will be quite an uproar, if all the folks with gas driven vehicles and engines are told the gas pumps are turned off

just saying

[Ele201]

Originally Posted by brianherlihy

get ride of bickes and just leave golf carts

You mean get rid of bikes. Spell check!’

[Jeffery M]

Originally Posted by blueash

There is no such thing as a brain damaged person who does not hurt anyone else. There is no one who has enough health insurance to cover a lifetime of 24 hr/d nursing care. Would you accept that if you wish to ride with no helmet then you must carry a different policy to cover those health care costs so they don't fall on the public welfare?

Riding with no helmet is the quintessential example of Free-dumb

There are many studies comparing death, disability, $$$, if you want evidence.

One study looked at outcome data for helmet wearing vs helmet refusing riders involved in hospitalization [not even considering those who did not require hospital care]

"Conclusions
In summary, our study using the National Trauma Data Bank supports the use of helmets in motorcycle riders. In this series, which included data from 10,345 patients involved in MCCs, unhelmeted MCC patients had more severe injuries (increased ISS, decreased GCS), higher rates of ICU admissions, higher rates of mechanical ventilation, and increased in-hospital mortality when compared with helmeted MCC patients. The unhelmeted patients were also more likely to be uninsured or government-insured. Our analysis suggests the need to revisit the issue regarding laws requiring protective headwear while riding motorcycles because of the individual and societal impact. Helmet use is truly a societal issue, as the cost burden is endured by the public, and must be addressed in a nationwide policy reform of helmet law"


Now tell me again how not wearing a helmet doesn't impact anyone but the stupid rider. It is good for the organ harvest business. Donorcycles

Freedom costs. If you eat a poor diet and the suffer diabetes and heart failure is society then going to ban certain foods? Should mountain climbing, skydiving, and swimming be banned? Should cars have governors so they can go no faster than 55 mph, thus reducing high speed crashes? Smoking is allowed and that causes far more health issues than motorcyclists not wearing helmets. People become brain damaged from doing stupid things and yet society has not collapsed from that. The percentage of the cost of healthcare has been impacted very little by motorcyclists not wearing helmets in the past and present. The rising costs are mostly from increased obesity and people living longer and suffering a varity of ailments in their older age, as well as driving like Mad Max and causing vehicle accidents. Also you are paying increased fees due to health insurance now covering pre-existing conditions, which is fine and I'm personally in favor of that, but it does impact costs. Other things have come about that are totally ridiculous that also impact the cost of healthcare, such as hormone treatment for transgender women. Medicare, the program for the elderly and disabled, lifted its ban on covering sex reassignment surgery.
Besides motorcycle helmet laws, I'm even against seat belt laws except for those under the age of 13. I would not drive without wearing a seatbelt every single time because that is the smart thing to do. Should you wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle? I believe you should. At least on the highways. However, I don't want some law telling me I have to wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet. As adults we should have that freedom of choice, and yes I am willing to be part of paying for that. Because freedom matters more than saving a few bucks on an insurance policy.

[thevillages2013]

:boom :

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Freedom costs. If you eat a poor diet and the suffer diabetes and heart failure is society then going to ban certain foods? Should mountain climbing, skydiving, and swimming be banned? Should cars have governors so they can go no faster than 55 mph, thus reducing high speed crashes? Smoking is allowed and that causes far more health issues than motorcyclists not wearing helmets. People become brain damaged from doing stupid things and yet society has not collapsed from that. The percentage of the cost of healthcare has been impacted very little by motorcyclists not wearing helmets in the past and present. The rising costs are mostly from increased obesity and people living longer and suffering a varity of ailments in their older age, as well as driving like Mad Max and causing vehicle accidents. Also you are paying increased fees due to health insurance now covering pre-existing conditions, which is fine and I'm personally in favor of that, but it does impact costs. Other things have come about that are totally ridiculous that also impact the cost of healthcare, such as hormone treatment for transgender women. Medicare, the program for the elderly and disabled, lifted its ban on covering sex reassignment surgery.
Besides motorcycle helmet laws, I'm even against seat belt laws except for those under the age of 13. I would not drive without wearing a seatbelt every single time because that is the smart thing to do. Should you wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle? I believe you should. At least on the highways. However, I don't want some law telling me I have to wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet. As adults we should have that freedom of choice, and yes I am willing to be part of paying for that. Because freedom matters more than saving a few bucks on an insurance policy.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Motorcycles are fine. Just wish they would be equipped with mufflers.

[dewilson58]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Wearing a helmet to me is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.

What about your back, knees, arms, legs, feet.

I own 2 Goldwing's and was guilty of riding in the summer heat with just a t-shirt and flip flops, no helmet.

I ask myself one day: "Am I ready to accept the consequences of what could happen riding at te age of 70?"
The answer was a big NO, and sold my pride and joy.

And for you dorks that say "If I refuse to wear a helmet why should that bother anyone."
Wearing that helmet or not doesn't bother anyone, it's the %&**^$#$%^&* noise that bothers people the worst.

True Story:
My dad told me he rode Indian cycles in the early 1920's before warning and caution decals were applied to bikes.
But, one decal was on the gas tank of his Indian cycle that read: "If you abuse me, I will kill you,".

Now there's a vision you wouldn't want to see going down the highway.
NO PANTS...

[DaleDivine]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The source is a website called Motorious, which is:

according to their "About." Microsoft picked up the article and reproduced it on their site.

Meanwhile, Byte1 asks an important, significant, profound question:


How does it hurt anyone? Let me count the ways:

If the biker was in a crash with another vehicle, the driver of that vehicle will have to live with knowing that the biker might be dead, or suffer paralysis or permanent brain damage, for the rest of his life. I can tell you from experience that being the "one who survives" a crash is no picnic.

If the biker has family or friends, they will have to live with their dead or brain-damaged or paralyzed loved one. If the biker lives, he will burden his family/friends for the rest of his life, however long or short that may be. Medical expenses, hospitalizations, surgeries, 24/7 home health care, mental health care, intubation, someone to switch out the ostomy bag if he's paralyzed and unable to move his own bowels, and so on and so forth. Traumatic brain injuries and upper spine injuries are no joke.

The health insurance company, which bets on people being healthy and never needing medical care, will have lost the bet. When your premiums go up next year, it's because too many people won their bet against the health insurance company. Too many people did too many stupid things that cost the insurance company too much money - and SOMEONE has to foot the bill. That someone is everyone else.

Their kids might now have to grow up without a father or mother (depending on who was riding the bike). If the rider survives and has traumatic brain injury, those kids will likely have to assume the role of caretaker. Imagine your 15-year-old daughter having to help mommy change your feeding tube and rub lotion on your butt to prevent bedsores.

The family will probably be short a wage-earner now too, since people with traumatic brain injuries tend to have trouble finding and keeping a decent-paying job. If he's lucky they'll let him clean the dining area of the local Burger King as part of a program for brain-injured folks in the area. For less than minimum wage.

All because daddy decided his "freedom" was more important than his family's ability to function.

Meanwhile - the actual topic (if you bothered to read the actual article from Motorious) was referring primarily to the idea of communities wanting to eliminate internal combustion engines. And anyone who owns an e-bike knows that an electric motorcycle is not going to be functional as a method of transportation or leisure travel. There's just no way to strap a battery on a motorcycle that will let the biker go more than 10-20 miles total before needing to recharge it.

From your post, you are under the assumption that ALL BIKERS ARE MALES...
There are lots and lots of female bikers now.

[Surf Daddy]

Thank you for the data. I have always believed this. As an ex motocross/supercross rider from the 70s, my favorite sayind was always "dress for the crash, not the ride". I never had a road bike, because I believed the risk is too great.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Freedom costs. If you eat a poor diet and the suffer diabetes and heart failure is society then going to ban certain foods? Should mountain climbing, skydiving, and swimming be banned? Should cars have governors so they can go no faster than 55 mph, thus reducing high speed crashes? Smoking is allowed and that causes far more health issues than motorcyclists not wearing helmets. People become brain damaged from doing stupid things and yet society has not collapsed from that. The percentage of the cost of healthcare has been impacted very little by motorcyclists not wearing helmets in the past and present. The rising costs are mostly from increased obesity and people living longer and suffering a varity of ailments in their older age, as well as driving like Mad Max and causing vehicle accidents. Also you are paying increased fees due to health insurance now covering pre-existing conditions, which is fine and I'm personally in favor of that, but it does impact costs. Other things have come about that are totally ridiculous that also impact the cost of healthcare, such as hormone treatment for transgender women. Medicare, the program for the elderly and disabled, lifted its ban on covering sex reassignment surgery.
Besides motorcycle helmet laws, I'm even against seat belt laws except for those under the age of 13. I would not drive without wearing a seatbelt every single time because that is the smart thing to do. Should you wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle? I believe you should. At least on the highways. However, I don't want some law telling me I have to wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet. As adults we should have that freedom of choice, and yes I am willing to be part of paying for that. Because freedom matters more than saving a few bucks on an insurance policy.

If I could give you more thumbs up, I would. Thank you for stating EXACTLY what I was thinking. Some folks would not get out of bed without permission by law. And some folks' thinking is so dangerous that they should consider wearing a helmet 24/7.
.......

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Motorcycles are fine. Just wish they would be equipped with mufflers.

Yes, and I bet some wish they would put mufflers on thunder. Personally, birds chirping in the morning is soooo bothersome and annoying...

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I read all this talk about the move to electric vehicles and yet, no one is talking about what the plan is to co-exist or phase out the 'soon to be called legacy vehicles' that run on gas

I can't wait to hear some bonehead tell me that I have to convert my car into an electric, or I can't drive it

can't wait to hear the plan for switching Air Force One over to electric

ha, wait 'til all the electric bills start including road taxes, like the gas pumps do

collectors and many others will continue to hold on to them and expect to be able to use them....I don't see them being outlawed, but some idiot will try to tax the heck out of them

software companies are able to get away with no longer supporting legacy software that are too many revisions back, but I suspect that there will be quite an uproar, if all the folks with gas driven vehicles and engines are told the gas pumps are turned off

just saying

Just to add to that, banning gas fueled vehicles will destroy our economy and add millions to the poverty level. UNLESS of course, someone is willing to PAY for all those workers by providing electric cars for them. You can purchase a gas fueled car for as low as a few hundred bucks that will get you to work, but even in the future, a battery powered vehicle would cost more than many workers can afford. Even getting one with dead batteries would cost at least a couple thousand to replace the batteries. Heck, it costs over a thousand to replace the batteries in a golf cart.
I can also imagine folks lined up along the road at charging stations, just to get a hundred more miles on their thousand mile journey.
I am sure that battery powered vehicles will have a place in the future, but until they focus on a more viable substitute for fossil fuel power, there will not be a ban of oil in my future. I am sure that man will destroy itself way before we run out of fossil fuel.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Dantes

Maybe horse’s will make a come back

I doubt it. The tree huggers will complain about horse flatulence destroying our air quality.