[KJ1325]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Now this right here is stupid talk.

Exactly......

[OETTING]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Why do you need a law for common sense? How does it hurt anyone if a biker does not wish to wear a helmet? Adults should be able to make their own decisions as long as it does not hurt anyone else.
But, this is about banning motorcycles and that won't ever happen. Even a big Harley uses less fuel per mile than the average car (mobile cage).

The hurt is to all of us who pay for your care after a potential head injury! Sign a waiver, then ride as you wish.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Freedom costs. If you eat a poor diet and the suffer diabetes and heart failure is society then going to ban certain foods? Should mountain climbing, skydiving, and swimming be banned? Should cars have governors so they can go no faster than 55 mph, thus reducing high speed crashes? Smoking is allowed and that causes far more health issues than motorcyclists not wearing helmets. People become brain damaged from doing stupid things and yet society has not collapsed from that. The percentage of the cost of healthcare has been impacted very little by motorcyclists not wearing helmets in the past and present. The rising costs are mostly from increased obesity and people living longer and suffering a varity of ailments in their older age, as well as driving like Mad Max and causing vehicle accidents. Also you are paying increased fees due to health insurance now covering pre-existing conditions, which is fine and I'm personally in favor of that, but it does impact costs. Other things have come about that are totally ridiculous that also impact the cost of healthcare, such as hormone treatment for transgender women. Medicare, the program for the elderly and disabled, lifted its ban on covering sex reassignment surgery.
Besides motorcycle helmet laws, I'm even against seat belt laws except for those under the age of 13. I would not drive without wearing a seatbelt every single time because that is the smart thing to do. Should you wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle? I believe you should. At least on the highways. However, I don't want some law telling me I have to wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet. As adults we should have that freedom of choice, and yes I am willing to be part of paying for that. Because freedom matters more than saving a few bucks on an insurance policy.

So explain to me why there are traffic lights, speed limits, traffic control police officers? Why are there parking spaces at all? Why can't I just stop my car wherever I feel like stopping it? Why am I not "allowed" to park my car in front of a fire hydrant? My freedom is more important than your burning house. I shouldn't have to stop at a red light. In fact we should just get rid of all traffic signals.

And those one-way signs? Heresy, I say! My house is at THIS end of the street. Why should I have to drive ALLLLLLL the way around the other block just so I can enter on the other side of my street to get to my house? Don't I have the freedom of movement?

And now let's do drugs. Why can't JimmyJohn shoot up heroin in your driveway? Is it because it's your driveway? Well okay put him out on the sidewalk. That's public property, he should have the freedom to do whatever the heck he wants with his body on public property.

Next up: private property trespassing. You don't have the right to restrict my movement. It's against my freedom to move! Therefore, I have the right to hop the fence at your back yard and make myself at home. In fact, if I see a nice steak in the window on the kitchen counter, I have the right to eat. And you have food. So I'll just break in and take it. If you don't like that, then next time leave your back door unlocked.

See how stupid these examples are? We can go down the slippery slope into absurdity any time you want.

But there are checks and balances to things - they're called laws, rules, regulations, consequences.

If you do something that has an effect on society, then society has the FREEDOM to ensure that what you're doing will have minimal negative impact. And you have the FREEDOM to a) not do that thing at all, b) comply with the rules, c) accept the consequences if you get caught not complying, or d) live somewhere else that doesn't have those rules.

[Scorpyo]

Originally Posted by JP

Well, they tried helmet laws that have since been repealed so next step is an out right ban. Ridiculous. Get a life and leave other people alone!! Let's ban stupid journalists.

Ban stupid journalists? Are you serious? That would be the end of the "news". We wouldn't even have the unreasonable facsimile we currently experience.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OETTING

The hurt is to all of us who pay for your care after a potential head injury! Sign a waiver, then ride as you wish.

Hmm, I think I DID sign when I wrote out a check to the insurance company.
There are a lot of things that folks do that I think are silly or stupid, but that is their business. I suggest that those that have a problem with motorcycles, skateboards, roller blades, golf carts, sky diving, fatty eating, alcohol consumption, etc. mind their own business because it really is NOT hurting anyone else.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Ele201

You mean get rid of bikes. Spell check!’

Rude......

[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by Ele201

You mean get rid of bikes. Spell check!’

Don't you just love these Intelligent intellectuals spelling police that never made a typo.

[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

loud noise for no reason

Oh, but loud noise saves lives........

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Freedom costs. If you eat a poor diet and the suffer diabetes and heart failure is society then going to ban certain foods? Should mountain climbing, skydiving, and swimming be banned? Should cars have governors so they can go no faster than 55 mph, thus reducing high speed crashes? Smoking is allowed and that causes far more health issues than motorcyclists not wearing helmets. People become brain damaged from doing stupid things and yet society has not collapsed from that. The percentage of the cost of healthcare has been impacted very little by motorcyclists not wearing helmets in the past and present. The rising costs are mostly from increased obesity and people living longer and suffering a varity of ailments in their older age, as well as driving like Mad Max and causing vehicle accidents. Also you are paying increased fees due to health insurance now covering pre-existing conditions, which is fine and I'm personally in favor of that, but it does impact costs. Other things have come about that are totally ridiculous that also impact the cost of healthcare, such as hormone treatment for transgender women. Medicare, the program for the elderly and disabled, lifted its ban on covering sex reassignment surgery.
Besides motorcycle helmet laws, I'm even against seat belt laws except for those under the age of 13. I would not drive without wearing a seatbelt every single time because that is the smart thing to do. Should you wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle? I believe you should. At least on the highways. However, I don't want some law telling me I have to wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet. As adults we should have that freedom of choice, and yes I am willing to be part of paying for that. Because freedom matters more than saving a few bucks on an insurance policy.

I know years ago the high schools, while teaching driver's Ed. introduced films in great detail of auto accidents that specifically showed the mangled cars and the gory injuries and dead bodies....horrible to watch and yes a scare tactic- but effective.
Something like that should be required by the insurance company when purchasing Mc insurance.
I know allot of us feel we are pros, can handle anything...gonna ride into the wind. I can totally appreciate the rush. But I would wager a large amount that every one of the Mc riders on this post have all had a close call.
Just saying..

[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by Jeffery M

Freedom costs. If you eat a poor diet and the suffer diabetes and heart failure is society then going to ban certain foods? Should mountain climbing, skydiving, and swimming be banned? Should cars have governors so they can go no faster than 55 mph, thus reducing high speed crashes? Smoking is allowed and that causes far more health issues than motorcyclists not wearing helmets. People become brain damaged from doing stupid things and yet society has not collapsed from that. The percentage of the cost of healthcare has been impacted very little by motorcyclists not wearing helmets in the past and present. The rising costs are mostly from increased obesity and people living longer and suffering a varity of ailments in their older age, as well as driving like Mad Max and causing vehicle accidents. Also you are paying increased fees due to health insurance now covering pre-existing conditions, which is fine and I'm personally in favor of that, but it does impact costs. Other things have come about that are totally ridiculous that also impact the cost of healthcare, such as hormone treatment for transgender women. Medicare, the program for the elderly and disabled, lifted its ban on covering sex reassignment surgery.
Besides motorcycle helmet laws, I'm even against seat belt laws except for those under the age of 13. I would not drive without wearing a seatbelt every single time because that is the smart thing to do. Should you wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle? I believe you should. At least on the highways. However, I don't want some law telling me I have to wear a seatbelt or wear a helmet. As adults we should have that freedom of choice, and yes I am willing to be part of paying for that. Because freedom matters more than saving a few bucks on an insurance policy.

Your example here is false in many ways.

Here's just one:
There are a lot less cycle owners with or without helmets that qualify for your comparison to anything to do with the above.

You mention the term: I don't want the law telling me this and that."
I'll bet you must have a hell of a time when the laws say you need to pay your taxes.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jdulej

I agree with the above. I also think that within 10 years, all NEW motorcycles will be electric.

I agree!

[Johnsocat]

It seems to me that insurance including Medicare is supposed to cover accidental injuries...
I see a lot of hypocrisy from a group of physically active senior citizens in these responses.
How many hip and knee replacements and orher joint injuries are funded by Medicare due to pickleball, tennnis, golf and other sports we enjoy and give our lives quality?
How many of us climb ladders to replace light bulbs and smoke alarm batteries? Mow our yards and trim our own bushes with dangerous equipment?
Use power tools like skill saws, drills?
Cars, golf carts and bicycles statistically have more accidents and injuries than motorcycles and most motorcycle accidents are caused by other road users.
How people judge, condemn and justifying limiting the activities others need or enjoy doing to maintain their quality and enjoyment of life should be viewed through a mirrored lens.

[joecian1]

Batteries contain Lithium.
80% of which, along with other related minerals are controlled by China. Pretty soon, most job killing electrically powered vehicles will be made there.
How many more electric generating stations will we need to supply charging stations in our garages and along our highways and how will they be powered by massive bird killing China manfactured polluting turbine blades and thousands of China made solar panels (Solyndra anyone?)?
Pothole Mayor Pete is an expert
and is using rising gasoline prices and a potential EV taxpayer funded
$12,500 rebate to force us to go electric.
Enjoy the ride!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

I know years ago the high schools, while teaching driver's Ed. introduced films in great detail of auto accidents that specifically showed the mangled cars and the gory injuries and dead bodies....horrible to watch and yes a scare tactic- but effective.
Something like that should be required by the insurance company when purchasing Mc insurance.
I know allot of us feel we are pros, can handle anything...gonna ride into the wind. I can totally appreciate the rush. But I would wager a large amount that every one of the Mc riders on this post have all had a close call.
Just saying..

"Just saying" it's all about choice to live (or die) by our own decision and NOT about living according to someone else's mandate on HOW we should live. Some folks climb mountains. I wouldn't, but that is their choice.
Perhaps insurance companies should be required to show a prospective customer films of black lungs of dead smokers, heart damage to the obese, or knee replacement surgery to an athlete. Maybe bicycling should be banned in the Villages, due to all the accidents. And would you "wager" that everyone that rode a bicycle as a child have all had close calls? I've had no injuries on a motorcycle, but my close calls were ALL due to poor drivers of cars. I've had many injuries as a child when riding a bicycle.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Johnsocat

It seems to me that insurance including Medicare is supposed to cover accidental injuries...
I see a lot of hypocrisy from a group of physically active senior citizens in these responses.
How many hip and knee replacements and orher joint injuries are funded by Medicare due to pickleball, tennnis, golf and other sports we enjoy and give our lives quality?
How many of us climb ladders to replace light bulbs and smoke alarm batteries? Mow our yards and trim our own bushes with dangerous equipment?
Use power tools like skill saws, drills?
Cars, golf carts and bicycles statistically have more accidents and injuries than motorcycles and most motorcycle accidents are caused by other road users.
How people judge, condemn and justifying limiting the activities others need or enjoy doing to maintain their quality and enjoyment of life should be viewed through a mirrored lens.

They hypocrites whine because they do not enjoy what others have, so therefore you should leave it up to them to decide what you do and what you shouldn't do.