[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

Yea this is the problem, just because someone has a lot of pocket change they can’t run the country. I bet Walt Disney is trying to bust out of his coffin. Disneyland & their present CEO are way out of hand, they’re not little gods who can dictate or control the U.S. & people’s children! This is socialist or the way Communism control their people. I hope all parents stand up to Disney! God Bless America!

Dictate and control. Seriously, a little hyperbolic? They made a statement in opposition for a proposal from the government which DOES affect their employees and guests.

That is all. They have not waged a campaign to promote ANYTHING (unlike DeSantis) they have not refused to allow anyone into the par based on political beliefs. They simply stated their opinion in public.

How horribly unAmerican to state ones opinion in public.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Dictate and control. Seriously, a little hyperbolic? They made a statement in opposition for a proposal from the government which DOES affect their employees and guests.

That is all. They have not waged a campaign to promote ANYTHING (unlike DeSantis) they have not refused to allow anyone into the par based on political beliefs. They simply stated their opinion in public.

How horribly unAmerican to state ones opinion in public.

Unbelievable. First of all , it is no longer a "proposal", it is a LAW.

Second, please explain how a law that prohibits the teaching of sexual orientation to 5-8 year old children affects their "employees and guests"?????

And third, for the 20th time, it is not the obligation of a publicly traded corporation to "state their opinion" and if they do there are possible consequences (such as rescinding the Reedy Creek special district and losing 35 billion in market capitalization), not to mention if their profit decreases due to their "stating their opinion" the entire board of Disney could be sued by its shareholders for breach of fiduciary responsibility.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If it's that big of a deal to the shareholders, then the shareholders are free to opt out, or hold a special meeting and take a vote. There's no reason the Florida legislature needs to impose legislation that affects only 5 out of over 1400 special districts in the state, to halt something that the shareholders care about. Especially since most of the shareholders of Disney aren't Florida residents.

This isn't about shareholders. It's about political statements that some folks in the Florida government don't like.

This discussion is unavoidably political in the generic sense, there are dollar limits as to how much corps can contribute are there not, how much is the platform , position, presence worth, when "Disney" expresses an opinion?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Unbelievable. First of all , it is no longer a "proposal", it is a LAW.

Second, please explain how a law that prohibits the teaching of sexual orientation to 5-8 year old children affects their "employees and guests"?????

And third, for the 20th time, it is not the obligation of a publicly traded corporation to "state their opinion" and if they do there are possible consequences (such as rescinding the Reedy Creek special district and losing 35 billion in market capitalization), not to mention if their profit decreases due to their "stating their opinion" the entire board of Disney could be sued by its shareholders for breach of fiduciary responsibility.

It was a proposal when they made the statement.

The question of how it is a problem has been answered 20 times in this thread alone, and you still bloviate about other stuff, so excuse me if I see n o reason to explain it a 21st time, since you obviously are not interested.

And last, YOU do not get to DICTATE how companies operate. YOU can vote with your dollars and your speech.

Disney is and has been for a long time what is called a Socially Responsible Corporation. So, this comment baby them is completely in line with their publicly held position that corporations have a responsibility to the public to be responsible. If someone owns stock and disagrees with that position, they should not hold stock.

But, you repeated assertion that corporations should not do this is just flat WRONG and BS. And anybody can sue anybody in this country, it seems to be even a recreational pastime. But, any stock holders that want to sue, certainly can, but they will be hard pressed to win, since over 10 years ago, Disney publicly stated their position. Like suing a company for selling Adidas when they were known to sell them before you bought the stock.

The Walt Disney Company - A Leader In Corporate Social Responsibility | Business Chief North America

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

And last, YOU do not get to DICTATE how companies operate. YOU can vote with your dollars and your speech.

And neither do you---but they are bound by their mission statement, business plan, and the fiduciary responsibility to work for a profit for their shareholders.

There, I've now explained it 21 times----get it yet?????

Somehow, I'm getting the impression that there are those that believe freedom of speech comes without consequences. If you believe that, you can go the middle of Harlem or Watts and start yelling the "N" word or stand in the marketplace of Teheran and recite from the Torah or be a POC and walk down the streets of Mamaroneck carrying a legally registered antique sword and see what happens.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Disney is and has been for a long time what is called a Socially Responsible Corporation.

Even in China? Have they voiced support for the Uighurs?

Disney criticized for filming '''Mulan''' in China'''s Xinjiang - ABC News

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And neither do you---but they are bound by their mission statement, business plan, and the fiduciary responsibility to work for a profit for their shareholders.

There, I've now explained it 21 times----get it yet?????

Somehow, I'm getting the impression that there are those that believe freedom of speech comes without consequences. If you believe that, you can go the middle of Harlem or Watts and start yelling the "N" word or stand in the marketplace of Teheran and recite from the Torah or be a POC and walk down the streets of Mamaroneck carrying a legally registered antique sword and see what happens.

Just keep deflecting, you IGNORED completely that it is a publicly know fact for over a decade that Disney is a member of the Socially Conscious Corporations. This IS their stated business model. They are doing following what their board voted for. YOU are attempting to dictate a very precise way for them to do business.

Legally if they do anything not in their charter which loses stock holders money they can be sued and held accountable. But, as I said, it is hard to sue someone for doing what they said they were going to do.

But, keep ignore FACTS and keep ranting your position/opinion.

Fact is America does believe in Free speech, to bad you don't. One has to wonder why you hate America so much

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And neither do you---but they are bound by their mission statement, business plan, and the fiduciary responsibility to work for a profit for their shareholders.

There, I've now explained it 21 times----get it yet?????

Somehow, I'm getting the impression that there are those that believe freedom of speech comes without consequences. If you believe that, you can go the middle of Harlem or Watts and start yelling the "N" word or stand in the marketplace of Teheran and recite from the Torah or be a POC and walk down the streets of Mamaroneck carrying a legally registered antique sword and see what happens.

It good business to be "politically correct" otherwise all you get is grief from the media and that will affect the company's bottom line, necessary public relations

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Just keep deflecting, you IGNORED completely that it is a publicly know fact for over a decade that Disney is a member of the Socially Conscious Corporations. This IS their stated business model. They are doing following what their board voted for. YOU are attempting to dictate a very precise way for them to do business.

Legally if they do anything not in their charter which loses stock holders money they can be sued and held accountable. But, as I said, it is hard to sue someone for doing what they said they were going to do.

But, keep ignore FACTS and keep ranting your position/opinion.

Fact is America does believe in Free speech, to bad you don't. One has to wonder why you hate America so much

Very hard to diagnose you. Your loss of touch with reality is one of Bleuler's original 5 criteria for schizophrenia, but your prolific posting on multiple subjects with an apparent lack of knowledge would suggest narcissistic personality disorder. I'm going to have to opt for organic personality disorder or a mixed disorder. The good news is that these conditions can be treated. Get help.

PS: Never, NEVER question my patriotism again.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Even in China? Have they voiced support for the Uighurs?

Disney criticized for filming '''Mulan''' in China'''s Xinjiang - ABC News

I see, so now we start with if they don't do EVERYTHING they can't do anything posts.

And las tI heard Freedom of Speech is one of those things we enjoy here in American, not so much in China. It may surprise you that Disney negotiated with China for a LONG time before building in China. But, fact it a company operating in a country is bound by that countries laws. Right or WRONG.

So, Disney here acts as a socially responsible corporation, and gets blasted by the right for exercising their rights. In China they are a law biding company and they get blasted for that.

Hate rules so many.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by crash

They were following the law their special district was created to encourage them to move here. New businesses will look at this when they consider moving here and then they won’t. Florida gives and takes away if you speak out.

But,they didn’t on the issue, that what this all about.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Perhaps we need to define what the word "indoctrination" means or what Disney is being accused of indoctrinating 5 year olds into. Plus, a lot of it depends on how one chooses to hear what is being said.

In those videos I heard people expressing happiness that Disney was allowing their content to reflect the real world. I didn't hear anyone say that they had a great plan to turn 5 year olds gay or convince them to be transgender - that is what the word "indoctrination" means to me. I heard them say they were grateful at the thought that characters in future shows would be more representative of the population.

Like it or not, when you get outside the bubble there are many LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC people (half the population?). Hoping for more Disney characters that look like your LGBTQIA+ or BIPOC children or grandchildren or grandchildren's friends is not indoctrination to me.

1/2 population…..

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Just keep deflecting, you IGNORED completely that it is a publicly know fact for over a decade that Disney is a member of the Socially Conscious Corporations. This IS their stated business model. They are doing following what their board voted for. YOU are attempting to dictate a very precise way for them to do business.

Legally if they do anything not in their charter which loses stock holders money they can be sued and held accountable. But, as I said, it is hard to sue someone for doing what they said they were going to do.

But, keep ignore FACTS and keep ranting your position/opinion.

Fact is America does believe in Free speech, to bad you don't. One has to wonder why you hate America so much

Thank you, thank you, thank you.....its nice to have a discussion but when one person,over and over, acts like a tyrant, a bully, only his opinion matters, well one would think the monitors would address it....
So sad that certain people just have to be heard, have to control, have to be right.
Food for thought: one, just one nice conversation, exchange,whatever would be nice, but I doubt it will ever happen......and it's sad bc he probably can be witty.
Enjoy this lovely spring.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I see, so now we start with if they don't do EVERYTHING they can't do anything posts.

And las tI heard Freedom of Speech is one of those things we enjoy here in American, not so much in China. It may surprise you that Disney negotiated with China for a LONG time before building in China. But, fact it a company operating in a country is bound by that countries laws. Right or WRONG.

So, Disney here acts as a socially responsible corporation, and gets blasted by the right for exercising their rights. In China they are a law biding company and they get blasted for that.

Hate rules so many.

So, they are socially conscious when it is convenient?

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Enjoy this lovely spring.

Don't you jus wanna know his/her prior name?!?!?!?!