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dewilson58 05-21-2022 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2097674)
Then the CDD can elect to not replace it if the own it.

From the CDD:
False:
The Project Wide Advisory Committee can choose to demolish and NOT replace the
Brownwood Windmill and Water Tower to save money.
True:
The Project Wide Agreement requires the Project Wide Advisory Committee to utilize the
Project Wide Fund to maintain common infrastructure to design intent standards. This means
they must maintain, repair and restore infrastructure as close as possible to the original
landscape as-builts, architect plans and other design documents.

tophcfa 05-21-2022 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2097681)
From the CDD:
False:
The Project Wide Advisory Committee can choose to demolish and NOT replace the
Brownwood Windmill and Water Tower to save money.
True:
The Project Wide Agreement requires the Project Wide Advisory Committee to utilize the
Project Wide Fund to maintain common infrastructure to design intent standards. This means
they must maintain, repair and restore infrastructure as close as possible to the original
landscape as-builts, architect plans and other design documents.

I read that as well, but you left out other key parts of the same document stating why the features need to be replaced.

It goes on to state that they are prominent aesthetic features and are an integral part of what makes the Villages the wonderful community that our residents love. We must maintain the overall design standard, superior quality, design appeal and overall “look and feel” of our community - the very reason many of our residents came to live in the Villages in the first place and call it home.

Talk about a double standard, that logic applies to purely aesthetic features dumped on the CDD’s, but doesn’t apply to other features that have real functional value but are retained by the developer? If the logic stated in the document we’re to be applied consistently, Hacienda Hills needs to be restored to its original design standard, appeal, and overall “ look and feel”. After all, as stated in the document, that’s the very reason many of our residents came to live in the Villages in the first place and call it home! Those are their words, not mine.

dewilson58 05-21-2022 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2097687)
but you left out other key parts

Not.

That did not add anything to my post, except it supported my post "they must replace", which was correcting your post stating, "Then the CDD can elect to not replace it if the own it."

Stu from NYC 05-21-2022 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2097676)
My opinion the didn’t use pressure treated lumber.

My post you responded to was wrong. They did not use pressure treated lumber they used heartwood.

They should have used PTL and if so think the structures would still be intact. As usual the developer gets away with something.

tophcfa 05-21-2022 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2097690)

which was correcting your post stating, "Then the CDD can elect to not replace it if the own it."

I never stated that? And you are correct, by cherry picking only part of the document, you were able to show that the features have to be replaced. Selectively, you choose to ignore the other part of the document which explains the reasoning and inadvertently points out the double standard between assets dumped on the CDD’s versus those retained.

dewilson58 05-21-2022 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2097696)
I never stated that? .

100% my error.

Confused you with Topspinner.

All you Top's all look the same.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

dewilson58 05-21-2022 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2097696)
Selectively, you choose to ignore the other part of the document which explains the reasoning and inadvertently points out the double standard between assets dumped on the CDD’s versus those retained.

Selectively..........yep.
HHills is old news, it's a large pain to you, not to me because TOPics (see how I threw in Top) are unrelated.
Anything I state about a windmill vs. HHills will not make you happy.
So I might as well avoid beating my head against a wall.
:ho:

davem4616 05-21-2022 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2094108)
“After 10-plus years of weather, humidity, sun and water exposure, the wooden posts on the structures have decayed, according to District Property Management.” The Villages Daily Sun, May 10, 2022

I noticed the decay at the base of the huge wooden posts a few years ago

surprised that it's taken this long to realize something needed to be done

Jayhawk 05-21-2022 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2097691)
As usual the developer gets away with something.

Way to go, you cracked the case. They planned all along to build thousands of houses, rec centers, golf courses, etc . in order to camouflage their goal of ripping off the AAC for the decorative water tower after 10 years.

Touche'

rustyp 05-21-2022 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 2097716)
Way to go, you cracked the case. They planned all along to build thousands of houses, rec centers, golf courses, etc . in order to camouflage their goal of ripping off the AAC for the decorative water tower after 10 years.

Touche'

PWAC not the AAC - AAC has more experience dealing with the developer.

tophcfa 05-21-2022 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2097711)
Selectively..........yep.
HHills is old news, it's a large pain to you, not to me because TOPics (see how I threw in Top) are unrelated.
Anything I state about a windmill vs. HHills will not make you happy.
So I might as well avoid beating my head against a wall.
:ho:

Actually they are kind of related, because they point out a blatant double standard. If the PWAC or AAC tears something down, they are required to replace it to preserve the overall “look and feel” of our community - the very reason many of our residents came to live in the Villages in the first place and call it home. Their words, not mine. Hacienda Hills is just an example of how the double standard is applied versus the Brownwood windmill and water tower.

dewilson58 05-21-2022 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2097727)
Actually they are kind of related, because they point out a blatant double standard. If the PWAC or AAC tears something down, they are required to replace it to preserve the overall “look and feel” of our community - the very reason many of our residents came to live in the Villages in the first place and call it home. Their words, not mine. Hacienda Hills is just an example of how the double standard is applied versus the Brownwood windmill and water tower.

Understand your view, but disagree...............totally different.

Keefelane66 05-21-2022 03:31 PM

Since both were non functional it would fiscally responsible not to replace them. My brother in law converted his 40 year old windmill to electric and powers his barn and house with power also an electric pump in pond for irrigation.

Stu from NYC 05-21-2022 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2097727)
Actually they are kind of related, because they point out a blatant double standard. If the PWAC or AAC tears something down, they are required to replace it to preserve the overall “look and feel” of our community - the very reason many of our residents came to live in the Villages in the first place and call it home. Their words, not mine. Hacienda Hills is just an example of how the double standard is applied versus the Brownwood windmill and water tower.

In other words one side has all the power.

dewilson58 05-21-2022 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2097766)
In other words one side has all the power.

Yes, and that one side is called THE OWNERS.


:ohdear::ohdear:


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