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Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zuidemab (Post 1873207)
Home equity is the key, particularly at 73. She may qualify for second mortgage or a reverse mortgage. Some one she trusts and knows this stuff should accompany her.

yes, she needs a real friend to help and support her through this for sure !

Pettys1 12-16-2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1873113)
I think Zillow is way off (too high) with that estimate. We sold our previous home in Calumet Grove last March and Zillow says it is worth $90k more than we sold it for. It is not.

Zillow says they paid $381,500 in 2004. (That seems high to me but I could be wrong.) In any case, I would guess her home might be worth in the mid- to high-400's, depending on condition. If it hasn't been updated at all (which is likely, if her husband passed away 8 years ago) it could be worth less. She might have some equity in the house but not what it might seem like if you go by Zillow.

I agree that she should probably sell it and buy something much smaller. One person doesn't need 2200+ sq. ft. She may not have anyone nearby (adult kids or grandkids) to help her with packing up/moving out of a home where she has lived for 16 years and listing it for sale. Or she may be reluctant to leave the home where she and her husband lived together.

It would be great if a neighbor or two would try and help her. I don't know what we, as strangers, can do but I would be willing to contribute to a GoFundMe if one were set up.

kathy






That's the problem with living in an HOA community.. An your so called neighbors turn on you like a snake.

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1873362)
Wow......Santa...I know what you and that cold heart are getting for Xmas!
There is no doubt she needs assistance... not sure some strange knocking on a 70something's door to offer to buy the house to then rent back is the answer....seems like someone taking advantage of a bad situation.
if there were enough people really interested in helping they should organize a team to assess the whole situation. First and most importantly, talking to her.... what does she want, what opinions does she have, does she even want to stay here. Just blindly looking most likely is sell the house, take the proceeds and get a place on historic side with no bond.
With all this said....yes covid us probably the biggest obstacle here, but maybe just a friendly knock to start.
And yes, I would do it if I could, but because of covid I can't comfortably get down to my place and we'll ride out this pending Nor -easter while my home in warm Fl calls my name.
Fingers crossed.

Exactly ! NOT, "Oh here, let me help you out, I don't know you but I'll just buy your house and you can pay me rent..... yada, yada..... yep, it's Florida, everyone's got an angle. Hope some can form a real support group for her, maybe she is relatively "fine" mentally, but just depressed and overwhelmed, maybe with some REAL friends, she could come right out of this !

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1873439)
Since members of her church are helping her pull weeds, as the original story stated, it is curious the church membership isn’t more involved in helping find a reasonable solution.

That is VERY suspicious, but, of course it could be true. You'd think someone would recognize she needs help, if only with a state of "indecision" ? I do know of a case of a distant relative who "seemed" mentally functional, however, in his mind he had NO money.... I know that seems odd, but this is true. Lived in Colorado and was cold and hungry because he "thought" he had no money, yet, his behavior was not otherwise odd or out of line. Taught me that people can get bazaar thoughts, and yet, can be considered competent and to others appear perfectly normal, and in most ways ARE ! In this case, he was NOT legally incompetent, was found to have a DEEP SEATED FEAR of poverty, of running out of money, so it took awhile to figure our why he let small things go in his nice home; not have the a plumbing problem fixed in a bathroom he did not need or use himself, failed to have the AC fixed in his car as it was "outrageously expensive and don't need it that much in Colorado", etc. etc. You just never know what people can get into their minds. This relative actually had a "decent" income; the thinking got skewered but was otherwise in tact. No one at his church or in his card group, caught on ! ?

CoachKandSportsguy 12-16-2020 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1874487)
Taught me that people can get bazaar thoughts, and yet, can be considered competent and to others appear perfectly normal, and in most ways ARE ! In this case, he was NOT legally incompetent, was found to have a DEEP SEATED FEAR of poverty, of running out of money, so it took awhile to figure our why he let small things go in his nice home; not have the a plumbing problem fixed in a bathroom he did not need or use himself, failed to have the AC fixed in his car as it was "outrageously expensive and don't need it that much in Colorado", etc. etc. You just never know what people can get into their minds.

Most people don't have any education or knowledge of how mental illness or disorders present. I had to read about 30 books to figure out how some issues present. . . and not being professional, i certainly missed many very obvious signs with my mom's dementia. Most will use logic to excuse the behavior.

The scenario as I read it does not have enough information, but getting into this situation means that the woman needs some help, and does not understand her options, or can't deal with her options, such as downsizing, etc. Most likely she is overwhelmed being alone, has diminished mental capacities, and wasn't prepared for her outcome. . . Not the first person who i have met who didn't plan and just assumed life as they know it would continue indefinitely.

Unless you are equipped and experienced dealing with elderly and their issues, and can prevent yourself from begin accused of manipulation, the best suggestion is county social services.

Gulfcoast 12-16-2020 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1874500)
Most people don't have any education or knowledge of how mental illness or disorders present. I had to read about 30 books to figure out how some issues present. . . and not being professional, i certainly missed many very obvious signs with my mom's dementia. Most will use logic to excuse the behavior.

The scenario as I read it does not have enough information, but getting into this situation means that the woman needs some help, and does not understand her options, or can't deal with her options, such as downsizing, etc. Most likely she is overwhelmed being alone, has diminished mental capacities, and wasn't prepared for her outcome. . . Not the first person who i have met who didn't plan and just assumed life as they know it would continue indefinitely.

Unless you are equipped and experienced dealing with elderly and their issues, and can prevent yourself from begin accused of manipulation, the best suggestion is county social services.

Good points. Wouldn't being brought into court for failure to maintain the property bring an elderly homeowner under the radar of not just the courts but of social services, too?

Gulfcoast 12-16-2020 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1874483)
Exactly ! NOT, "Oh here, let me help you out, I don't know you but I'll just buy your house and you can pay me rent..... yada, yada..... yep, it's Florida, everyone's got an angle. Hope some can form a real support group for her, maybe she is relatively "fine" mentally, but just depressed and overwhelmed, maybe with some REAL friends, she could come right out of this !

The social isolation that people have been under for the past 9 months has contributed to mental declines in otherwise functioning people. It could very well be that a little friendship and laughter could be the best medicine. Simply feeling all alone can, in and of itself, be overwhelming. Hopefully with the clubs and activities reopening, people are getting out for some much needed support and companionship again.

Bruce Hancock 12-17-2020 07:42 AM

Retire Better
 
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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1873146)
Sound like a reverse mortgage is what would really help her. She would be able to have funds in a line of credit where she could draw monthly income.
This is exactly why reverse mortgages help some.

You are exactly right. I can help her. I work for Mutual of Omaha and do reverses in the Villages. She would probably net about $300,000, which sits in a line of credit, growing every year. She can take lump sums, monthly payments, anything she wants. She ALWAYS owns the home. When she sells or passes, she pays back whatever she used to live better, fix up the home etc. No payments are ever required.

Bruce Hancock 12-17-2020 07:47 AM

Retire Better
 
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Originally Posted by Dot Rheinhardt (Post 1873236)
I am in the same situation. Lost my husband's Social Security because of GPO (married 66 years) over $24,000 a year, but bills keep on. Reverse mortgage could help, but if she owes more than $100,000 on her house, I think she has to come up with whatever she owes over that amount to get the reverse mortgage (not sure of this ). I expect she lost all or most of her husband's pension when he died. I could sell my house, but may not, and get a smaller house, but I have animals and other considerations, so probably won't. We don't know the whole situation her (other bills, car loans, etc.). I do feel sorry for her, and she may not have all the mental abilities to conduct whatever needs to be done. If she has family, they should step in and advise her.

I can help her. I work for Mutual of Omaha and do reverses in the Villages. She has no mortgage apparently, but if she did we pay it off so she no longer has a mortgage payment, which is HUGH for some people. She would probably net about $300,000, which sits in a line of credit, growing every year. She can take lump sums, monthly payments, anything she wants. She ALWAYS owns the home. When she sells or passes, she pays back whatever she used to live better, fix up the home etc. No payments are ever required.

Topspinmo 12-17-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jaj523 (Post 1873416)
She may or MAY NOT have a pension coming in. Military members opt for survivor benefits or NOT while they are active duty. If they opt for survivor benefits, they get less take-home pay. Some choose for the higher paycheck and forego the survivor benefits.


It’s only option upon retirement. O wait I retired 26 years ago, they might of changes the rules?

brfree1411@aol.com 12-17-2020 08:51 PM

The survivor benefit plans are extremely expensive. My husband's was $350 per month. We only took it for one minor child at the time of retirement, 1994


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