[sunnsnow]

A single friend of mine renting a home in The Villages placed another friend WHO DOES NOT live in The Villages on record as being in the home. The outside friend received a Villages ID card and used it to play various games in the recreation centers. She also used the ID card to do water aerobics in the sports pool. This has been going on for a couple of years with no problem to either party.
However, recently, somehow the department in charge of the ID cards found out either through a third party or by doing a simple "people search" and discovered that the outsider actually had a home over near Lake Weir and was employed somewhere over in that direction.
My friend's Landlady has been informed and there is now a discussion going on as to who is responsible. The possibility of having the ID Cards removed from the tenant AND the homeowner is real. I'm sorry for my friend BUT we all pay an amenity fee to use our facilities and the outside person pays nothing at all. I think that department has done us all a favor.
Your opinion please?

[2BNTV]

If I understand you correctly, the landlady knowingly obtained an I.D. card, for a renter, who lives within the 50 mile radius. TV does not issue cards for anyone who lives within the 50 mile radius, (they need to be on the deed). Since TV powers to be, found out the landlady deceived the powers to be, they are going to revoke the landlady's privledges also?

Sounds like someone was too talkative to a neighbor and they ratted the renter out, and subsequently, the landlady.

MY question is why did someone need to rent a house in TV, when they lived a few miles away?

Some people don't like it, when other people bend the rules, to their own ends. It's been a complaint that "single" people can't have a guest issued an I.D., especially when the guest lives within the 50 mile radius.

TV makes the rules and evidently, enforce, all of them.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

If I understand you correctly, the landlady knowingly obtained an I.D. card, for a renter, who lives within the 50 mile radius. TV does not issue cards for anyone who lives within the 50 mile radius, (they need to be on the deed). Since TV powers to be, found out the landlady deceived the powers to be, they are going to revoke the landlady's privledges also?

Sounds like someone was too talkative to a neighbor and they ratted the renter out, and subsequently, the landlady.

MY question is why did someone need to rent a house in TV, when they lived a few miles away?

Some people don't like it, when other people bend the rules, to their own ends. It's been a complaint that "single" people can't have a guest issued an I.D., especially when the guest lives within the 50 mile radius.

TV makes the rules and evidently, enforce, all of them.

There are exceptions for children and grandchildren. (I went to the page (recreation ID) but due to an error was not able to copy the exception)

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by sunnsnow

A single friend of mine renting a home in The Villages placed another friend WHO DOES NOT live in The Villages on record as being in the home. The outside friend received a Villages ID card and used it to play various games in the recreation centers. She also used the ID card to do water aerobics in the sports pool. This has been going on for a couple of years with no problem to either party.
However, recently, somehow the department in charge of the ID cards found out either through a third party or by doing a simple "people search" and discovered that the outsider actually had a home over near Lake Weir and was employed somewhere over in that direction.
My friend's Landlady has been informed and there is now a discussion going on as to who is responsible. The possibility of having the ID Cards removed from the tenant AND the homeowner is real. I'm sorry for my friend BUT we all pay an amenity fee to use our facilities and the outside person pays nothing at all. I think that department has done us all a favor.
Your opinion please?

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.

I agree someone stealing my amenities. Probably at least 20% or more getting away with it.

[redwitch]

sadly, there are always ways to skirt these rules and, obviously, these folks got away with it a long time. I feel bad for the homeowner IF they had no idea their renter scammed TV for her friend's ID. No sympathy for the renter or her friend. It's really a shame they can't charge her for illegal use of the facilities.

Funny, I firmly believe that a single person should have the ability to invite a friend that lives in the Tri Counties to enjoy activities with the single such as dances and other date-like activities, but not something like this. This is fraudulently using our facilities and taking up space that could be legitimately used by a Villager, especially during high season.

[queasy27]

How would a renter be able to obtain an additional guest pass? Don't they have to be obtained (and paid for) by the home owner?

[rubicon]

a permanent (green) ID card can only be obtained by residents whose names are on the house's deed. Residents age 19 and above living with relatives and not on the deed are issued temporary (blue) ID cards every three years. I make a wager that those with blue ID cards seldom use amenities

The situation described only touches the surface of this problem. I'll refrain from elaborating because I do not want to start a discussion that is going nowhere. However District should perform its due diligence to review all policies and rules to maker certain they are not be manipulated or abused and I mean ALL.

[MikeV]

Broke the rules, take the cards.

[looneycat]

it's called fraud and the offender should pay 'back' amenities fees for the entire period she was stealing services

[blueash]

As I read the OP, someone not local rented a home as a single person. That non-local person added to the record as a co-renter a local person who thus obtained a renter's ID. Whether the home owner had any knowledge of the second person, or of the second person's home near Lake Weir is not stated. It seems obvious that the second ID is pulled from the local non-renter if in fact he/she is not renting. I would think a Lake Weir person could rent a home here and get a renter's ID. If that second person paid the primary renter $1/year as a sub-lease there would be no requirement as to how many days they live in their rental room vs their Lake Weir home. It is a complicated situation, but it is unclear that the home owner is complicit in any way.

[mixsonci]

The way I read the OPs post was: The renter put the friends name on the lease as living there in the house (housemates) at the time of the original signing. The renter does not live near by (so she's legit) but her "fake housemate" does live close and just wanted to use the amenities. Whether or not the owner knew at the time that they were adding the friends name fraudulently or not is the question as to whether the owner should be punished. If she didn't know, she shouldn't be punished for a scam artist. But, how do you prove it one way or another?

[NavyNJ]

Originally Posted by blueash

As I read the OP, someone not local rented a home as a single person. That non-local person added to the record as a co-renter a local person who thus obtained a renter's ID. Whether the home owner had any knowledge of the second person, or of the second person's home near Lake Weir is not stated. It seems obvious that the second ID is pulled from the local non-renter if in fact he/she is not renting. I would think a Lake Weir person could rent a home here and get a renter's ID. If that second person paid the primary renter $1/year as a sub-lease there would be no requirement as to how many days they live in their rental room vs their Lake Weir home. It is a complicated situation, but it is unclear that the home owner is complicit in any way.

Unless the lease the renter signed with the homeowner (landlord) contained a provision that "subletting/sub-leasing" was not permitted, or, not permitted without prior, written approval of the homeowner (landlord).

[NYGUY]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.

I agree!!!

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Yep, the rules were broken...........pull the ID cards.

I agree! Too much of this going on, IMHO!