[tomwed]

I don't feel like reading everything again. Is this an accurate summary of the debate?

Those in favor of plates agree that licensing a vehicle will make it easier for others if they are involved in an accident, or to identify if they see someone driving irresponsibly so they can accurately report the reckless driving to the authorities. This will make it a safer place to live.

Those against plates say the mmps are private, this will be expensive for everyone, it would require extra security to enforce and the chances of reading a plate accurately in a moving vehicle is questionable. This will; not make the place safer to live.

Did I miss anything?

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't feel like reading everything to answer your question.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I don't feel like reading everything again. Is this an accurate summary of the debate?

Those in favor of plates agree that licensing a vehicle will make it easier for others if they are involved in an accident, or to identify if they see someone driving irresponsibly so they can accurately report the reckless driving to the authorities. This will make it a safer place to live.

Those against plates say the mmps are private, this will be expensive for everyone, it would require extra security to enforce and the chances of reading a plate accurately in a moving vehicle is questionable. This will; not make the place safer to live.

Did I miss anything?

Nice Summary. I would only add the following: Most pros believe that a license plate would be necessary to be effective. Since TV is in three different counties you would need to get all three counties involved. Cons: You hit the nail on the head---costs, bureaucracy, regulation and more law enforcement.

If the goal is to make TV a safer place then are we asking the right question? I seriously doubt a license plate or sticker would significantly make us safer as we drive our golf carts throughout The Villages. Given the accidents and fatalities over the years perhaps making seat belts mandatory would be more effective in making us safer. Perhaps off subject-----just a thought.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by justjim

Nice Summary. I would only add the following: Most pros believe that a license plate would be necessary to be effective. Since TV is in three different counties you would need to get all three counties involved. Cons: You hit the nail on the head---costs, bureaucracy, regulation and more law enforcement.



If the goal is to make TV a safer place then are we asking the right question? I seriously doubt a license plate or sticker would significantly make us safer as we drive our golf carts throughout The Villages. Given the accidents and fatalities over the years perhaps making seat belts mandatory would be more effective in making us safer. Perhaps off subject-----just a thought.

Well said.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by justjim

Nice Summary. I would only add the following: Most pros believe that a license plate would be necessary to be effective. Since TV is in three different counties you would need to get all three counties involved. Cons: You hit the nail on the head---costs, bureaucracy, regulation and more law enforcement.

If the goal is to make TV a safer place then are we asking the right question? I seriously doubt a license plate or sticker would significantly make us safer as we drive our golf carts throughout The Villages. Given the accidents and fatalities over the years perhaps making seat belts mandatory would be more effective in making us safer. Perhaps off subject-----just a thought.

ID tags, license plates, serial numbers, etc are all too complicated and would too much work to properly administer for the limited amount of good they could do.

For the main part, I believe it is the golf carts which exceed the 20 mph limit ( not the street legal ones which have a 25 mph limit). I have been passed on Morse by carts doing well over 35. One cart passed me on Morse a couple of months ago at around 35. He should have checked his surroundings better. He was immediately pulled over by a Deputy! Costly error on his part.

[golfing eagles]

Actually I view this thread as a microcosm of the current national debate:

Do we want a country based on traditional American values and freedoms, the ones that the US was founded upon, or

Do we want a country governed by an overreaching nanny state that regulates every facet of our lives, in the name of "safety" or "social justice"(whatever that is)

This is for the voters to decide, next opportunity Nov 2016

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I don't feel like reading everything again. Is this an accurate summary of the debate? ...... Did I miss anything?

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I don't feel like reading everything to answer your question.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually I view this thread as a microcosm of the current national debate:

Do we want a country based on traditional American values and freedoms, the ones that the US was founded upon, or

Do we want a country governed by an overreaching nanny state that regulates every facet of our lives, in the name of "safety" or "social justice"(whatever that is)

This is for the voters to decide, next opportunity Nov 2016

And the lobbyists would be the golf cart manufactures who can prove they are safe or the seat belt installers who can prove they are effective?

[PennBF]

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by PennBF

It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that a little number on the window of a golf cart wouldn't be visible in most cases.
For instance, if someone wanted to report a six-year old driver who sped by them, how would they obtain the identifier number?

[Fredster]

Would it be wise to have your Village ID # in public view on your golf cart?
Plus I also think it would be too small to be of much use!
"My goodness, how people can complicate things"
I don't think you fully understand how complicated it would be doing what
you propose after the bureaucrats get involved with it!
And they most certainly would!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

You seem to be ignoring the fact that a little number on the window of a golf cart wouldn't be visible in most cases.
For instance, if someone wanted to report a six-year old driver who sped by them, how would they obtain the identifier number?

The problem is that you and I don't have the right mindset to understand this. We think the goal of a rule/law/regulation should be to achieve a purpose, in this case identification of a golf cart that broke existing rules, especially something as egregious as a hit and run. When we realize that a small sticker would be ineffective, we cross that idea off our list. To others, however, the goal of a law is the law itself. More laws and bigger government is "good", even if it achieves absolutely nothing. Hence, my previous comment on the broader national debate. To each his own, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just happen to be goal oriented, maybe those with a broader philosophical ideology are smarter than I....

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by PennBF

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!

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[obxgal]

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[tomwed]

Originally Posted by PennBF

My Goodness. How people can complicate things. Lets make it simple and no different than what you have today. First: Everyone carries a village ID Card and Second: Each ID card has a number which is assigned when you become a resident. Third: I have not heard of anyone complaining this is a terrible buracratic invasion and destroyed their card with their ID. Fourth: When you go into a Rec center it is a general rule to ask to see your ID and I have not heard of anyone saying no and walking out. Fifth: Same applies to pools, etc. Now let get a little sane. You already have an ID and you show it where ever you go and I don't recall hearing anyone screaming no when asked. It would be a very cheap (probably in the pennies) thing to have that ID number which you are use to placed on a little stickem that could be applied to each windshield of a golf cart.
Hopefully this demonstrates it is already a common practice in The Villages and pretty useful. No licence plates, no setting up a big new set of files, no need for new control people, etc etc. Just give out a little "stick em" with a number you already have. I can't wait to hear how this is so terrible and an invasion when they already have it and follow the rules!

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