[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I would guess that it was because the flooding was considered a temporary situation and a temporary solution was put in place by the town. In case it looked like the wall would be permanent and the town made no temporary provision for going around it. There were no ropes put into place nor any signs directing people where to go.
Had this situation not been solved, we certainly could have petitioned the town to allow golf carts in that area. In fact, now that we know a gate will be installed, we could petition the town to allow us to temporarily allow carts in that area.

It still has to go before the Amenities Authority Committee for their approval.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by johnsgt

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...mg-20130813-6/

Might I ask what these photos represent? Thank you.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Yes, TV owned commercial land as is almost everything on Wedgewood Lane.

BUT you'll notice that you can not get to the Hair Academy. That is bounded by non TV private land. You can park in back of it but you can not get into the Academy parking lot legally.

You can park at the veterinarian's office whose property line abuts that of the Salon Professional Academy and merely step over the line onto the Salon's parking lot. Theoretically, though, can a golf cart be towed?...

[oot]

Hopefully in the future, they have learned that it would be better to bring up changes to the community in advance. Sure would have been a whole lot easier on all.

Think about the costs involved here:

Cost of new wall

Tear down of old gate

Installation of new gate

Tear down of that new wall

Bad Public Relations

Mental anquish for those affected adversely

Infighting between fellow villagers

Communities should be brought together...not torn apart.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

The doctor offices and urgent care I believe are on campus. So where in the TV are on campus facilities cut off from Village Residents? Harbor Chase, Wal-Mart, Lowes would be off campus as you said in your post.

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

I think you might be right about that and that may be a good point to attack the developer with. But it is possible that these lands are not TV commercial land. Does anyone know for sure?

Since TV commercial land is sold with "golf cart accessible" clauses, and demand premium rents because of that, then I doubt that the business mentioned have that clause or the wall limitation would become legally actionable. And one thing we know for sure is that Morse has a bunch of lawyers.

One of my doctors in "No Man's Land" told me that he owns his building AND the land that it is on, having bought it from the developer many years ago, and and he mentioned that it is true of the doctor next door to him. However, he then added that later, the developer would not SELL land but rather would RENT it.

I have always gone to that doctor by golf cart to the Sharon Morse Building, park the cart there, and walk across 27-441 (with the light, of course), and it has never been a problem (though much to the amusement of the staff in the doctor's office...). I do the same near Walgreen's in the parking lot where Target and Staples are located, then cross Rolling Acres Road to the huge complex that includes Best Buy, Bed Bath & Beyond, Joann Fabric, and even as far as Kohl's. And when I have to, I can cross 27-441 (using the lights, as there is no crosswalk there) to Home Depot and so forth. Perhaps not the most ideal, but it works....

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by Peachie

...the problem seems to be that the people in the historic section want access to "The Path"...

Peachie, it was not just the people in the historic section who used that cart path - many people living north of 466 did too

Whenever anyone refers to just the historic side residents, or asks how many of the historic side residents don't own cars, they are minimising the true impact of this issue.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Njbchbum, ... I'll bet you didn't know people residing outside The Villages aren't entitled to use The Village pools either. Sigh....

Originally Posted by njbchbum

peachie ... are you saying that folks from stonecrest and spruce creek south, lady lake, etc. are allowed to use the pools of the villages....

There is a difference between "aren't entitled" and "are allowed." The use of our pools in TV by outsiders has long been an issue....

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Problem resolved. Read this morning's Daily Sun. VHA President reports. Local Section. Developer will deed over area in front of gate for new gate and gate will disallow access to non villagers. ( I think, I will have to read it again)

Apparently as a result of meeting between VHA and developer.

You can make of that what you will....and some of us will make a lot of it.

Of course it made it appear that it was by negotiation of the VHA, but we all know who ultimately makes the decisions around here.

Much more will be said on that, and we pretty much know ahead of time WHO will say WHAT.

Good morning everyone. It is a lovely day in The Villages.

Aren't the VHA and the Developer one and the same? That would be like someone talking to oneself, wouldn't it?

Good morning to you too!!!

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by circletrack

Several people have mentioned that parts of the cart path are dirt and run through private property.

The cart path under discussion has been paved and fully-maintained (with landscaping and lights) for over a decade and has been safely used by many people on a regular basis.

[CFrance]

I'm guessing... that the developer capitulated in a way that makes him look good, makes the VHA look good, keeps the POA out of his hair, and allows him not to respond as to why the wall was put up to begin with.

If this proposal is acted upon, good for all. And good for all who picketed to voice their displeasure.

The developer certainly does adhere to the first part of your grandmother's adage, Gracie... Least said!! ;^)

[EdV]

What an incredibly ill-conceived solution. Using Gottschalk’s logic, allow me to restate his solution:

This VHA-proposed solution will allow TV residents unfettered access to non-resident facilities, while at the same time denying non-residents access to ‘our’ facilities.

Can any of you who have voiced your outrage at cart path closing and its egregious denial of access to public facilities honestly say that you think this is a fair and equitable solution to all those affected by the path closure?

Furthermore, Gottschalk’s accusations are blatantly false. The golf cart bridge over 441 was approved by the state and built and maintained by Morse commercial entities, not amenity funds. So Stonecrest residents can drive through Orange Blossom Hills, over the bridge and to all of the medical and retail facilities along the west side of 441 without ever setting foot on amenity supported paths or facilities. Who does he think he’s fooling?

Now if the reason for the wall being erected was concern for liability (an often used legal smokescreen), then why not propose to have Morse donate the homesite to the town of Lady Lake or Lake county, thereby making it an extension of Paradise Drive.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

It still has to go before the Amenities Authority Committee for their approval.

those rubber stampers! lol

[johnsgt]

The pictures were of the alternate gate which was "opened up" to the parking lot of the Life Medical Practice -- apparently the community watch and some officials were in the process of restricting the use of this access and I snapped a couple of shots///

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

possible conclusion....is the wording. Then it shows how it will go. The developer will deed over the land. The VCDD will accept it and the gate will be built. Only VILLAGERS can use the gate...I think the word possible is journalistic wording.

Here is what my mother would have said on this conclusion.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

or..Any port in a storm.



I also have learned from her that a half a loaf is better than none and least said soonest mended and It will all come out in the wash and it isn't over until it's over. No. That's Yogi Berra.

and my father always reminded me, 'don't count your chickens before they hatch.'

am not gonna hold my breath until that committee meets, the wall comes down and the gate goes up! i just wonder if it will be done before or after the hilltop restaurant gets reopened and/or we return for the winter!

wonder, too, when can folks schedule medical appts with doctors in the medical campus area and use their golf cart to get their?

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by EdV

What an incredibly ill-conceived solution. Using Gottschalk’s logic, allow me to restate his solution:

This VHA-proposed solution will allow TV residents unfettered access to non-resident facilities, while at the same time denying non-residents access to ‘our’ facilities.

Can any of you who have voiced your outrage at cart path closing and its egregious denial of access to public facilities honestly say that you think this is a fair and equitable solution to all those affected by the path closure?

Furthermore, Gottschalk’s accusations are blatantly false. The golf cart bridge over 441 was approved by the state and built and maintained by Morse commercial entities, not amenity funds. So Stonecrest residents can drive through Orange Blossom Hills, over the bridge and to all of the medical and retail facilities along the west side of 441 without ever setting foot on amenity supported paths or facilities. Who does he think he’s fooling?

Now if the reason for the wall being erected was concern for liability (an often used legal smokescreen), then why not propose to have Morse donate the homesite to the town of Lady Lake or Lake county, thereby making it an extension of Paradise Drive.

i guess because reconciliation only goes so far, edv!