[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

More fantasy...

No. More reality. Sad but true.

[BillyGrown]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

IF! iF the guy in the wheelchair was not surprised. IF the guy in the wheelchair had his gun in his hand. IF the guy in the wheelchair he had been facing the invader. IF the guy in the wheelchair's hand wasn't shaking. IF the guy in the wheelchair didn't hesitate. IF the guy in the wheelchair was totally committed to killing another human being. IF the guy in the wheelchair shot first??? OOPS! IF the guy in the wheelchair was ready to answer a lot of questions and possibly go to trial for ... murder?

When he went to get the car keys, he could have easily returned with a little more than car keys. Do you really think a Florida Jury would convict a man in a wheelchair killing an intruder in the man’s own home? Think again. The DA wouldn’t even bring charges.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Kyle Rittenhouse was either a hardened criminal or mentally disturbed. Cool.

He was neither. And he only shot people who were attacking him. A perfect example of controlled self defense. No one else was hurt!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

So your solution is to ban everyone's rights, for what may happen...why not ban cars because someone may drink and drive. Same logic.

Exactly. 50,000 people are killed in automobile accidents every year. Let's ban cars!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Has it happened with those who concealed carry? No? Then why assume it would happen with open carry?

Not "No". "Yes" is the correct answer, and that is why it may be assumed it could happen with open carry.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Cars are not designed to cause damage, guns are.
Cars need to be registered, guns largely do not.
Car drivers need to be tested and licensed, gun owners do not.
It is rare that a car is misused to injure multiple people, it is all too common with guns.

Perhaps if guns were more well-regulated with registration, mandatory training, and licensing things might change.

Guns are designed to expel a projectile from the barrel. What that projectile does is user dependent.

How does registering a car prevent someone dying in an accident?

Cars are rarely used in attacks? Interesting. From the last year:

Into the Crowd: The Evolution of Vehicular Attacks and Prevention Efforts - Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Exactly. 50,000 people are killed in automobile accidents every year. Let's ban cars!

I knew you were a tree hugger at heart. 😀😄😉

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I think you meant to say restaurant since Florida statutes prohibit carrying a weapon into a bar. (though maybe by definition we do not have bars in the squares)

Of course he meant "restaurants". Most (all?) of the "bars" in TV are actually restaurants... Perfectly legal...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

At Bonefish Grill, for instance, you are a few feet from the bar when you enter but then they will take you to the dining area.

Where you can drink until drunk, I assume, if that is your desire.

And that would be illegal, if you're carrying...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Accidental shootings happen as well.

A car used as it is supposed to be used will not cause injuries. A car can malfunction and a car can be used improperly but it is not designed to cause injuries. Because of the potential damage cars may cause if not used properly we require registration, training, and licensing. Even that doesn't solve the problem entirely but I would hate to see what would happen without it.

Firearms are designed to cause damage, injury, or death. Used legally, they cause damage to targets or property and they cause death to non-human animals. Used improperly or illegally they cause injury or death to persons but they are still being used as designed. In spite of the damage guns may cause if used exactly the way they were designed to be used, some (most?) states do not require registration, training, or licensing.

We can argue over statistics but just in absolute numbers, gun deaths exceed car deaths. I wonder what would happen to those numbers if we required proof of training and registration for purchases.

That is simply not true... You are conflating intent with function...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by BillyGrown

When he went to get the car keys, he could have easily returned with a little more than car keys. Do you really think a Florida Jury would convict a man in a wheelchair killing an intruder in the man’s own home? Think again. The DA wouldn’t even bring charges.

I thought again, per your suggestion. The word "convict" is no where in my post.
As for the DA bringing charges, we will never know because all the "If's" weren't met. But, stranger things have happened, and will continue to happen as time moves along. Prepare to be amazed.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Just like most drivers are responsible, and most homeowners are responsible, and most employed people are responsible, most gun owners are responsible also.

Responsible gun owners have usually taken into consideration the enormous amount of personal liability and legal exposure (both civil and criminal) one incurs having a firearm on one's person while simultaneously indulging in alcoholic beverages.

Most realize that a civil or prosecuting attorney will tear you apart even if your lawful engagement with a weapon goes absolutely text book - even a sip of beer will be argued to influence judgement.

*Most* responsible gun owners are smart enough to leave it at home or in the trunk when drinking in public.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And that would be illegal, if you're carrying...

If it is concealed, who would know. People do illegal stuff allll the time. In fact I bet you may have done something illegal at some point in your life. I have, and I'm not proud of it. But I'm much better now. 😃

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Wing-nut2

I have seen guns in City Fire and several other bars. Yes it is against the law. The law is not in the bar so they get away with it. By the way, you can still drink and carry a gun, but not in the dedicated bar area. The dining room is OK.

It will be interesting. Fore example you can't go to the Post Office Otha gun, period. you also can't park in the parking lot of that post office. The post office in wildwood is in a large shopping center, you , by law, can not park anywhere in that parking lot because the way the shopping center wrote the rules, the parking lot belongs to ALL the tenants. That means you can't park there if you're carrying a firearm because of the post office.

Please that statute... Methinks you're making that up...

And City Fire is a restaurant...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I doubt if any restaurant staff wants some wanna- be Rambo waiting for a table for a long time.


I find the whole idea of open carry as an idiotic approach to curbing crimes.


And the exact opposite of common sense.


Would you want to be standing next to an obviously pistol- packing Momma or a woman with a hidden gun when a criminal comes into rob the restaurant with his gun drawn?
He/she would probably notice the pistol -packing Momma first.

Pure fantasy...